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#21

We all know there’s an association of angry pervs that wants to make stuff like this up, because that’s not true even of the nutjobs. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’d like to know what would happen if a serious-subject VN with merit grounds against an obscenity defense came out containing a plotline involving blatantly underage sex - without explicit images. The moral guardians would be outraged, but would they have to cave? On a game that was far less porn than many mainstream movies with underage boobies in them?

However, I’m not really in a safe position to find out, as I am a small business and really can’t afford the government on my case.

#22

There has been a fad in the states recently to try and crack down on people who look at even illustrations of under aged girls - the man who was arrested and tried for receiving kiddy porn even though they were anime magazines, and a few similar cases. The problem is, the lawmakers can’t seem to decide where this material falls, moral/legally so they’re trying all sorts of over the top responses.

#23

I guess the only solution is to only make furry porn.
Furries are safe no ? :smiley:

#24

I guess ??? (Kikeiji (or in English, deformed child), EGS) might be an example. ALIBI’s gone out of their way to make the most horrible game they could though (content-wise, although for some reason the circle have only rated it as a 15+ work), and if an ‘all-ages’ work like this has garnered such strong reactions on EGS, it’d be extremely controversial in any normal context. I think still think it’d be safe, as the subject matter is treated very seriously and presented in an extremely negative light, but who knows for sure?

#25

That game would also be an extremely good target for an English translation in general. It’s nice and short + also free. Anyone want to do it? =P

#26

It has appeared a number of places the last year or so, but no I never bothered bookmarking the articles, so I have no links on hand. I suppose one could do a search for terms like “anime lawsuit” or “anime illegal?” and the like and come up with something - I’ve no desire to do so myself right now, but if I do later and find some I’ll definitely post them for you.

#27

Why would anyone be arrested for anime magazines? I have googled but I am not finding.

#28

I believe bestiality is prohibited in at least one of the regulatory agencies. And unlike lolis, I can safely say I’ve never seen a furry in an eroge (I have seen lots of demon sex though). To be honest, from what I’ve seen it seems like furries are more of a Western fetish than a Japanese one…

#29

boy, have CIRCUS made a game for you!

Naturally, there’s also plenty of eroges that feature bestiality as well, but that’s probably the only ‘furry’ one that comes to mind.

#30

Sekien no Inganock doesn’t count? (Doesn’t seem as furry as Tail Tale though)

#31

Are you talking about the Christopher Handley case, by any chance?

#32

Dwight Whorely’s case was turned down by the Supreme Court, because it involved actual child porn. Though I’m sure if someone gets convicted over it - and doesn’t have real child porn - their case will go through the same motions for Supreme Court appeal: lolicon is presently illegal in the state of Virginia, due to the technicalities of the upheld judge rulings.

And before anyone says, “Narg is overreacting”… Virginia had a repeat with Stephen Harold Painter… again, the man also having real child porn and doing something stupid in a public library, but nonetheless giving lolicon a bad rap.

#33

Fixed for you.

You know, for all the media bashing we’ve engaged in, have we forgotten to not trust their word until more official information were released on the matter? There’s no mention of what law he was even convicted of, and if it is the PROTECT Act again, you need to remember that obscenity is a required element

#34

Be that as it may… if you get caught with lolicon in VA, there’s a good chance you’ll be sitting in prison until your case is cleared by the Supreme Court.

Virginia has a policy where you serve your time first and get the appeals second (i.e. wait it out in jail). For a lot of people, that can ruin their lives.

#35

Well that’s not an excuse to twist things, get bent out of shape and perpetuate an attitude of fear and paranoia. Regardless of the fact that you have good intentions, it doesn’t do us any good.

If you want to talk about the law and what is or isn’t legal, think like a lawyer, not a politcal activist.

#36

Dude, I’m not twisting anything: in Virginia, drawn child porn has been equaled as real child porn. That’s what the majority judge rulings have stated. This is fact.

If you call that fear and paranoia, so be it. I’m just stating what the reality is.

#37

Until you actually cite some cite some official legal statements/opinions that support your argument, cite the law based on said statements, and pool them together provide a precise, well-worded explanation on how the courts have judicially ruled that drawn child porn is equal to real child pornography, you are in no way, shape or form to tell me that that’s what the majority judge rulings have stated. THAT is a fact.

#38

What are you talking about? The judges and lawyers there are using the Whorely case as legal precedence. Do you even know anything about the legal specifics surrounding the Whorely case? Here’s the final judgment:

http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.p … 88R1.P.pdf

It says it exactly in there. There’s no media spin. There’s also been two other cases like this in Virginia.

#39

It says it exactly in there. So…where? This isn’t a matter of media spin, this is your spin.

Where does it say drawn child porn is equal to real child porn? How about actually providing some quotes from here and use them to explain what you’re talking about? You think you can just give me a 7-page pdf file and immediately understand anything? I’m seeing nothing but obscenity this, obscenity that, in these paragraphs–How about telling me where it says that drawn child porn is equal to real child porn?

#40

My God you are stubborn… but that’s why I like you. :slight_smile:

Here you go. Starts on page 50:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_ … ab5407.pdf

Your tax dollars at work.

And yes, I am fully aware that the case goes against what the Supreme Court said about the Protect Act, but the state of Virginia challenges their ruling… and so until the Supreme Court hears a case against Virginia, the state will continue on because they can. So while a person thrown in prison will eventually be freed, it doesn’t change the fact that a person can and will be thrown in prison. They are citing the Whorely case, not the Williams case.