Those here know that, but ask yourself if someone on the street would know that, if the answer is no, then they are often confused even within the rulings I was reading. They did interchange the idea saying “lolicon images” so who knows but that was written in some of the rulings.
[This message has been edited by SCDawg (edited 08-01-2004).]
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Originally posted by Benoit:
What the hell? What's that porn picture doing in Unicorn's posst above?
It appears some joker replaced a smiley he was using with that picture. If you click "edit" on the post (to see what is actually there) there is an image link that points to what is obviously supposed to be a "depressed.gif" smiley.
The US Supreme Court struck down the portions of certain “anti-child porn” laws that they found to be too restrictive on citizens First Amendment rights. One the main reasons they gave in the decision is that particular law made it illegal to show “Romeo and Juliet” anywhere in the States, because Romeo and Juliet are underaged, but shown/suggested in a romantic (sexual) relationship.
As lolicons were one of the explict groups targeted by Congress in drafting the law (cause to the outside world in the US, lolicons = child rapists IRL), at this point, Congress is still struggling on how to make “fictional” underage characters having sex (explicitly or implicitly), they still haven’t found a way, at this time, around the Supreme Court ruling. So, as long as it isn’t a realistic depiction (serious photo-realistic CG rendering), you should be safe. Although you can still get hassled by your local authorities if they find “questionable” material (many places have local laws that are arbitrary, allowing the judges and enforces decide if its bad or just silly fantasy).
I could look through my archives if people are really interested to find which precise federal child protection act that the US Supreme Court voided and renderd their ruling that “fictional” underage characters can be depicted without fear of legal liability.
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Originally posted by Benoit:
What's that porn picture doing in Unicorn's post above?
That was originally a depressed smiley and it was also quoted from another post of Spec.
Apparently, the place where it was hosted thought the other image more appealing... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
That was originally a depressed smiley and it was also quoted from another post of Spec.Apparently, the place where it was hosted thought the other image more appealing... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]
My fault, sorry. Guess that I should be more careful with my usage of smileys..<_<.
Anyway, I've edited my message to take it away and so has Unicorn so hopefully there's no problem.
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Originally posted by Benoit:
Not lolicon. Loli.
Lolicons are people who are obsessed with young childs, called lolis.
Hm... I wouldn't call a person "lolita complex",
it's like telling a person "you are flu/pest/AIDS".
( i don't mean it's spelled wrong, it's just not nice, even if "lolicon" used as adj. )
Even to say "he/she has lolita complex" in public wouldn't be nice,
at least if you can't be sure that it's not just a fantasy for him/her
( and in real world he/she has an adult partner & is quite happy,
or wishes he/she would find one )
since a "complex" is a psychic abnormality,
so you are saying that he/she is has an abnormal psychic based
just on his/her fantasy
( and who has right to judge others in public? )
I know, there are brave guys & gals who call themself "lolicon"
and have no problem with it.
Anyway, if there would someone who called himself/herself
< insert here any labeling for gender/race/nationality/etc. that often is seen as offensive >
this still wouldn't make it "alright" to call just *everyone* by this labeling.
I like adult-looking anime characters as well as lolita-like characters,
but even if i would hate breasts one day ( i hope not ), i still would find it offensive,
if someone would say in public "he's lolicon" / "he has lolita complex" about me.
Also what do you mean by "young childs" ? :/
We aren't talking about real children, are we ?
And why can't i call some kind of anime/manga/doujinshi "lolicon"?
"Lolita complex" hentai manga is manga, that is likely to appeal
a person with lolicon complex.
A hypothetical person ^_^ so no one's feelings will be hurt,
if you buy a "lolicon manga", you aren't neccessary "lolicon"
( oops ^^" i mean you don't neccessary have some scary complex or alike ^^ )
Here is a Japanese shop that labels a hentai manga category "Lolita Complex"
http://www.japan-manga.jp/index.jsp?ShowMode=Category&CategoryID=35
[This message has been edited by Soran (edited 08-02-2004).]
Oi… Always with this grammatical battle of loli/lolicon. Can’t we just say “young looking girls” and be happy?
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For this discussion, since we are in part talking about rulings on this issue, let’s just go with whatever or everything they use in the rulings and say for this discussion it is all correct. How’s that sound?
It’s about using the correct terms, as dictated by our resident admin Lamuness.
Soran, don’t tell me you’ve been brainwashed by the previous admin?
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Originally posted by Benoit:
It's about using the correct terms, as dictated by our resident admin Lamuness.
Soran, don't tell me you've been brainwashed by the previous admin? :(
I have no idea what you are talking about,
i just wrote what i think & feel about this issue
( i think it's not polite to call a person "lolicon" )
Let's just stop is, ok?
[This message has been edited by Soran (edited 08-02-2004).]
And I don’t think it’s polite to call these girls lolicons because they don’t have a lolita complex. :’(
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Originally posted by Benoit:
And I don't think it's polite to call these girls lolicons because they don't have a lolita complex. :'(
*argh*
where did i called an anime/manga character "lolicon"?
Is it supposed to be funny?
Or you are just trying to ruin this thread?