About one thing in TCI

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Well, I used some of my free time this weekend to replay TCI a little (and this time, I managed to get the Yuki-Happy Ending that had been avoiding me for so long…) and while playing, I came to think of one thing… How is the concept of privaticy regarded in Japan?

I was thinking about when Makoto-san threathened the old geezers who tried to rape Ayumi with using the video from the camera against them as proof of their crime… now, I know that the camera was Ume-sans (and God knows how Makoto knew about it, or perhaps she was just bluffing), but in any case, even if they had used the video as proof, couldn’t the geezers have accused them for “invasion of privaticy” or something like that? Here in Sweden, usage of things like cameras and such is under strict restrictions and often requires special permission, and more than once, criminals and people like that have been able to accuse people in the court - and win - because that an unauthorized camera like that was used against them. Of course, that doesn’t mean that they can escape their crimes, but in this way, they are able to get “revenge”… So how pivaticy regarded in Japan?

#2

I suppose, privacy is in japan even more valued than here.
For an example, think of the incident with Ayumi-chan, Misato-sama and Keiko-chan: Takayuki barged in to save Ayumi, but also had to apologize for violating the privacy of the room.

However, the threat on the guys in the bath worked more because of an existing proof that would also been noticed by their companies and families, causing there more trouble than even a won trial on the court because of the rape would do. (Being fired because the company would lose its face for employing “such a person”, getting divorced, being despised by the own children and so on.)

EDT: Take mental note: check spelling twice before posting!

[This message has been edited by Unicorn (edited 11-11-2002).]

#3
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
I suppose, privacy is in japan even more valued than here.
For an example, think of the incident with Ayumi-chan, Misato-sama and Keiko-chan: Takayuki barged in to save Ayumi, but also had to apologize for violating the privacy of the room.

Hmm, that's true, and both of them were (naturally) not so happy about he fact that he had just barged into their room like that.

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However, the threat on the guys in the bath worked more because of an existing proof that would also been noticed by their companies and families, causing there more trouble than even a won trial on the court because of the rape would do. (Being fired because the company would lose its face for employing "such a person", getting divorced, being despised by the own children and so on.)

That's true. in other words, if you do a crime, be prepared to pay a high price [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. And blackmailing like what Makoto and Takayuki did (well kind of) usually works well, unless the person being blackmailed is prepared to lose everything...

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EDT: *Take mental note: check spelling twice before posting!*

I throught *I* was the King of Spelling Errors here [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

#4
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
in other words, if you do a crime, be prepared to pay a high price

Isn't thatthe way, justice (not jurisdiction!) should work? Maybe, I should ask Amelia Will Tesla Sailune about this... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

But of cause it depens how much you are going to loose if even the shadow of suspicion concerning that crime touches you. IN the other example, Keiko-chan and Misato-sama were in no big danger of loosing anything (perhaps also because there was no bluff involving a proving video?), so Takayuki was in a bad position after barging in.


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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
I throught *I* was the King of Spelling Errors here [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

That's true, but recently I see myself a bit too frequently correcting my posts afterwards. Of cause, the *King* does not have to conceal his mistakes... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

#5
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Isn't thatthe way, justice (not jurisdiction!) should work? Maybe, I should ask Amelia Will Tesla Sailune about this...

Perhaps [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]. But to me, it looks like what we call "justice" is far too soft nowadays...

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But of cause it depens how much you are going to loose if even the shadow of suspicion concerning that crime touches you. IN the other example, Keiko-chan and Misato-sama were in no big danger of loosing anything (perhaps also because there was no bluff involving a proving video?), so Takayuki was in a bad position after barging in.

Yep, but Keiko and Misato forgave Takayuki anyway, since they throught he was kinda cool [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img].

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That's true, but recently I see myself a bit too frequently correcting my posts afterwards. Of cause, the *King* does not have to conceal his mistakes... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

I take great pride in the fact that I seldom edits my post even if I make 100 spelling errors in a message [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]. Of course, if it was something else I said wrong, and not just a spelling error, then I do edit the message, of course [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by Spectator Beholder (edited 11-11-2002).]

#6
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
But to me, it looks like what we call "justice" is far too soft nowadays...

Aren't you right now confusing "justice" and "jurisdiction"?
It was no accident, I told them apart in my last post.

#7
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Aren't you right now confusing "justice" and "jurisdiction"?
It was no accident, I told them apart in my last post.

Well, perhaps. I don't know, but that depends on how you see it, I suppose [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. Justice itself might not have changed, but those who are supposed to be the representatives of Justice ight be a different matter. and there's various kinds of justice too, depending on how you see it [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img].

"My own sense of justice - Aku, Soku, Zan"

- Saitoh Hajime

#8

With young people privacy is placed more at a premium than the older generations, but even if a door is closed it is not entirely unlikely than someone will just open a door and walk in. Unless the door is the front door, usually none of the doors have locks, even the bathroom door, so you just assume, if the door is closed, someone is in it, because otherwise it is always open.

#9
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Isn't thatthe way, justice (not jurisdiction!) should work? Maybe, I should ask Amelia Will Tesla Sailune about this...

[img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] KINDNESS TO ALL CREATURES KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

#10
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Perhaps . But to me, it looks like what we call "justice" is far too soft nowadays...

[This message has been edited by Spectator Beholder (edited 11-11-2002).]

Well, you aren't from the United States, Beholder-san, so I'd imagine your perspective is quite different than mine. But here in the States, our criminal justice system is based off of the assumption that since the system is imperfect, and cannot be made perfect, there will always be mistakes made; and given that assumption we have decided that it is better to allow the guilty to go unpunished than to punish the innocent.

#11
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Originally posted by bokmeow:
With young people privacy is placed more at a premium than the older generations, but even if a door is closed it is not entirely unlikely than someone will just open a door and walk in. Unless the door is the front door, usually none of the doors have locks, even the bathroom door, so you just assume, if the door is closed, someone is in it, because otherwise it is always open.

Sounds like one's own privaticy is kind of fragile in Japan, with no locks and all that in the house ^^;;;. But I guess that it just means that you've got to be extra careful in Japan [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] (which may be kind of difficult for a westerner at first, since we're used to locked toilets and all that ^^ [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img].

#12
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Originally posted by Slayer:
Oh and on a side note I still think that Ayumi shouldn't of had to if gone through with that rape scene, I mean I know she needed a wake up call to reality but surely there wasn't need for a dramatic scene for doing so, then again that just might be me I did however extremely enjoy Tokimeki Check in.

Well, I think that everyone here felt more or less uncomfortable about the scenes where Ayumi got raped... and I wonder exactly why they had put those scenes in her storyline, since those scenes felt a little unsuitable, or how I should say it, in a light game like TCI...

#13
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
Well, you aren't from the United States, Beholder-san, so I'd imagine your perspective is quite different than mine. But here in the States, our criminal justice system is based off of the assumption that since the system is imperfect, and cannot be made perfect, there will always be mistakes made; and given that assumption we have decided that it is better to allow the guilty to go unpunished than to punish the innocent.

Well, nothing is perfect, that's true, but sometimes, it can result into a very strange situation... for example, the laws here in Sweden forbids us to raise our hands against someone who's doing a crime. Now, doesn't that sound kind of strange? Last year or something like that, here in Sweden, there was a man who assaulted a woman at the city streets. A guy who saw this helped the woman by giving the guy who were assaulting her a punch, and the woman were able to get away. both of the guys were taken in by the police, but since they weren't able to find the woman, they were just able to "punish" the guy who helped the woman _because that accoring to our law, what he did was wrong even through he just wanted to help the woman_. And the guy who had assaulted the woman were able to go unpunished. Events like that really takes away one's belief in justice... Or rather, the law. If what I've heard of the law system in america is true, the outcome of such an even would've been different there, since your laws would have another view of matter like that. If I rmeember correctly, you're allowed to keep a gun or something like that in your home, in case of emergeny, like if someone would break into your house. But here it isn't allowed...

#14
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
I wonder exactly why they had put those scenes in her storyline

I think, they did this in order to give Takayuki a chance to appear as Ayumis knight in shining armor, who saved her from all these situations. This way he could become the Takayuki, she ever dreamed of.

(What is the use of being a hero, if there is no princess needing a recue?)

[This message has been edited by Unicorn (edited 11-12-2002).]

#15
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
I think, they did this in order to give Takayuki a chance to appear as Ayumis knight in shining armor, who saved her from all these situations. This way he could become the Takayuki, she ever dreamed of.

(What is the use of being a hero, if there is no princess needing a recue?)

[This message has been edited by Unicorn (edited 11-12-2002).]

Yeah, I throught it might be something like that. And Ayumi's storyline hints of that she feared that Takayuki had become less kind than he were when they were little, and several of these situations are there to give Takayuki a chance to make Ayumi see that he's still the same, kind Takayuki as he were before... I suspect that as long as Ayumi feared this, she could never take the final step that she and Takayuki takes at the end of her path...

Still, in TCI, Ayumi isn't my favourite character. But I'd go for Makoto-chan, Kumi-chan or Natsuki-chan ANY day [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]. I wonder if Ayumi is anyone's favourite here? I thinkt hat in a "TCI-character poll" that Crowd held a long time ago, Ayumi were the most popular one... hmm.....

#16
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
I wonder if Ayumi is anyone's favourite here?

Well, I have not one favourite among the TCI-girls, but two of them: Ayumi and Natsuki.
Does that answer your question? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

However, I like Ayumis happy ending quite better that her best ending, because here she shows a stronger personality (...and a nice perspective for a panty-shot [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] ).

#17
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
However, I like Ayumis happy ending quite better that her best ending, because here she shows a stronger personality (...and a nice perspective for a panty-shot [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] ).

... pervert [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

But it is true that Ayumi shows a stronger personality in the Happy ending. She no longer seems to be the meek, shy girl that she were before, but rasther seems like she's decided to use a couple of iron gaunlets from now on [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. Hmm, this playing around with TCI really made me long for the next couple of Crowd games we're waiting for T_T.

#18
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Hmm, this playing around with TCI really made me long for the next couple of Crowd games we're waiting for T_T.

Would you prefer it then, if I postpone my reviews about the CROWD-games a bit?
They could be like salt into your open wounds, after all... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

(Also, Chisae is really giving me a hard time, finding a good ending with her. ... and OMnY is quite the same story ...)

#19
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Would you prefer it then, if I postpone my reviews about the CROWD-games a bit?
They could be like salt into your open wounds, after all... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

(Also, Chisae is really giving me a hard time, finding a good ending with her. ... and OMnY is quite the same story ...)

Ah, no, no need to postpone anything. Besides, a little salt in an open wound is good for you, or so I've heard [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]. And besides that, I'm too curious for my own good, so I'd want to hear it anyway. But as I said before, take the time you feel that need to play the games to make a couple of good reviews out of those [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img].

Good luck to you on finding the Chisae good ending, and I hope you manage to find any good endings in OMnY as well (I remember that you said before that it seems very hard to find a good ending in OMnY...).

#20
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
But as I said before, take the time you feel that need to play the games to make a couple of good reviews out of those [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img].

Don't wory about that. I am not going to rush my reviews.
I just wonder, how long it will take to make my review about "Blood Royal". I have now realized, that game has about 40 different endings...
Well, I suppose, it is not necessary to have seen all of them, but at least a representative amount in order to write my kind of reviews.


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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Good luck to you on finding the Chisae good ending, and I hope you manage to find any good endings in OMnY as well (I remember that you said before that it seems very hard to find a good ending in OMnY...).

At least, there are less possible decisions in OMnY, so I think if I concentrate on Silvia, I should find a good ending in a reasonable amount of time. At least, it looks like, she is meant to be the main characters girl by the author of the game, because she is available as your personal maid, regardless if you choose Mary or Sophia at the market.