I was just wondering, which bishoujo anime that you guys would say the best one you ever watched so far . Mine would probably be The End Of Summer a.k.a. dokyusei . Too bad it the game did not make it in the American market it would have been awesome !
I don’t have a single anime in particular, but several. One of the is Graduation (first two OVA episodes), but they only brought over the last two episodes, Sailor Victory (which is a spoof/parody of various sentai anime). Doukyuusei (both I & II) is a particular favorite, too, as well as both Elf ban Kakyuusei (OVA and TV). And there is also Sentimental Journey… And To Heart… And Pia Carrot he Youkoso… Hey, I am not sure which one is THE best!!!
Personally I prefer the works of Ujin (such as Visionary, U-jin Brand, and the Tales Trilogy, etc.) and Hiroyuki Utatane (Countdown, Countdown Akira, etc.). But I also loved Can Can Bunny Extra…
I’m pretty much the same as fxho–I don’t have one particular favorite but do enjoy several. I also notice that I share some favorites with him as well: the Graduation OVAs, Sentimental Journey… A few I like that aren’t included in his list are Kaitou Kamikaze Jeanne, Wedding Peach DX (the TV series can go hang, for all I care), Vision of Escaflowne, Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou (ah, the weirdness), and, of course, Shoujo Kakumei Utena (ah, the WEIRDNESS).
Im not certain whether it is technichly bishojo or not but I really loved the new Kimagure Orange Road movie Summer’s beginning.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rowena:
[B]Personally I prefer the works of Ujin (such as Visionary, U-jin Brand, and the Tales Trilogy, etc.).
How about his New Angel series ?
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Originally posted by Serio:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rowena:
[B]Personally I prefer the works of Ujin (such as Visionary, U-jin Brand, and the Tales Trilogy, etc.).
How about his New Angel series [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]?
I haven't watched New Angel yet but being the HUGE Ujin fan that I am I'm just waiting for the New Angel videos I ordered... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
Hmm, Shin Kimagure Orange Road. I’m not exactly sure what genre it falls in. The original KOR is supposedly bishoujo (or at least shoujo), but there’s been debates over that.
I can’t dispute the importance of Cream Lemon, but the series is too hit-and-miss for me to call it my fave. Plus, older anime doesn’t quite cut it for me (which is why I can never summon enough patience to watch the original Macross TV series in its entirety).
Something I forgot to mention in my previous post: Hiroyuki Utatane. I was rather surprised to see his name appear, but I suppose I shouldn’t have. I can’t argue with the elegance of his artwork, though I have something against the storyline. (Maybe that’s why my only favorite Utatane manga is Seraphic Feather, since he’s only in charge of the artwork.)
In the New Angel series, it’s probably coincidental but does Shizuka remind you guys of Ayumi from Tokimeki Check In . The way she waited patiently for her Keisuke to mature . Well in the end it’s kind of sad how she has to go to live with her parents but I really liked what I saw on the picture . It made cry from joy . Come to think of it, is it too late to change my favorite .
Hmmmm… Presently, I’d say my fav. is Kakyuusei TV (though I prefer Mizuho-chan to Ai-chan ), with “Sentimental Journey”, Doukyuusei2 and “Pia2 DX” high ranked too. I’m looking forward to my DVD of “Comic Party” because I was told it was pretty good and “Triangle Heart” because I loved the game… ^^;;;;;
On the other hand, I was disappointed by the TM OVAs and the SisPri TV series… ;_;
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Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
Hmmmm... Presently, I'd say my fav. is Kakyuusei TV (though I prefer Mizuho-chan to Ai-chan [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]), with "Sentimental Journey", Doukyuusei2 and "Pia2 DX" high ranked too. I'm looking forward to my DVD of "Comic Party" because I was told it was pretty good and "Triangle Heart" because I _loved_ the game... ^^;;;;;
On the other hand, I was disappointed by the TM OVAs and the SisPri TV series... ;_;
Oh boy these titles you mentioned are good [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]!
I just wish they would dubbed/subtitled it so that people who don't know a word in Japanese could fully appreciate such beautiful anime [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. Poor, poor, deprived people [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img].
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Originally posted by Sakamoto:
Some might say that even if you knew exactly what they were saying in Wakana's Sentimental Journey episode you might still get confused. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
Some time ago, when I mentioned Dave E that I didn't get a thing on Wakana's episode, he wrote me back:
"Well, let me tell you something... my friend in Japan stated that Wakana's episode has THE most complex dialogue he has ever heard! So, don't feel bad...."
You just need the right mindset for it, preferably with some familiarity with the philosophy they’re discussing.
(Roommate screaming nearby: “WHAT PHILOSOPHY?!”)
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Originally posted by Serio:
[quote] Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
[b] Hmmmm... Presently, I'd say my fav. is Kakyuusei TV (though I prefer Mizuho-chan to Ai-chan [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]), with "Sentimental Journey", Doukyuusei2 and "Pia2 DX" high ranked too. I'm looking forward to my DVD of "Comic Party" because I was told it was pretty good and "Triangle Heart" because I _loved_ the game... ^^;;;;;
On the other hand, I was disappointed by the TM OVAs and the SisPri TV series... ;_;
Oh boy these titles you mentioned are good [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]!
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Thanks. Looks like I don't have such bad taste after all. :P
*looks at the pseudo*
BTW, I didn't mention "To Heart" because, while I enjoyed the TV series, I found it a little "light"... though I loved the way they managed Serika-chan's "muteness"! ^_^
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Originally posted by fxho:
Some time ago, when I mentioned Dave E that I didn't get a thing on Wakana's episode, he wrote me back:"Well, let me tell you something... my friend in Japan stated that Wakana's episode has THE most complex dialogue he has ever heard! So, don't feel bad...."
Good! Because when I watched it, I seriously doubted about my Japanese skills! ^^;;;;;
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Right... but that dialogue is not essential to be able to still follow and enjoy the episode, really.
Perhaps, but it's still frustrating though... :P
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Uhh... Kumiko doesn't follow. She isn't bilingual and neither is Dave E, but we enjoy these shows with no problem at all. Other people have, too. No frustration at all. Why would there be when the important aspects of the work are not shown through vocal dialogue? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Because not everything is said/expressed through symbolisms, either. Some of us have difficulty grasping them, hence, the need for the dialogues, sometimes, and liner notes on other circumstances. Besides, because of your exposure to Japanese culture doesn't mean everybody has the same exposure... (example, how many of you, people, before playing/watching/reading bishoujo related material understood the meaning of White Day?)
By Playing Season of the Sakura of course! That’s where I first learned about white day. Just thinking about it makes me want to go out and get a Zero candy bar.
I will make a cross-quote with from the Critical Point thread:
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
The symbolisms in these works are not cultural - that’s not what we’re talking about, for the vast majority of instances. Cultural references are a totally different matter, and of course would need to be explained. However, works that focus on girls use the same symbolisms and non-verbal references regardless of culture. It’s about female and artistic presentation of femininity - it doesn’t have anything to do with culture. You’ll see the same elements used in various cultures throughout the world because it is an artistic presentation of certain concepts, rather than anything tied to a specific culture. That includes Western or European cultures - we use the same symbolisms and elements in our works that focus on girls, too. These elements are not portrayed through dialogue - they are portrayed through non-verbal art. That could be musical, or it could be visuals of various kinds… anything ranging from unspoken glances to hair to color to nature to all sorts of things.
And from the Critical Point thread:
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The anime for To Heart is also a very good example of the non-verbal presentation of works that focus on girls. The climax episodes leading up the the Xmas party are a perfect case in point. The eventual confrontation between Akari-chan and her best friend Shiho-chan over Hiroyuki’s affections illustrate how the most important aspects of what is happening are not what is being said, but rather what is understood without being stated aloud. The two girls understand exactly what each other is really saying, without either of them actually saying anything straight out. This type of indirect, non-verbal presentation also applies to Hiroyuki or his friend Musashi-kun. Hiroyuki may seem oblivious to the events around him… but he isn’t. It’s just his way of allowing events to run their course - he’s the type of guy who believes that everything will work itself out with minimal interference.
When I showed To Heart to a female friend of mine (she is from El Salvador, who used to live in Spain and Panama, talking about living in multicultural environment), she didn’t actually get the ending. She was totally lost; then, I told her about the ending, explaining something similar to the lines above. Her reaction was:
“WHAT??? I can’t believe the red-haired girl (Akari). If I were in love with a guy, and my best friend is also, I won’t let her get him without a fight.”
[This message has been edited by fxho (edited 10-04-2001).]
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Uhh... Kumiko doesn't follow. She isn't bilingual and neither is Dave E, but we enjoy these shows with no problem at all. Other people have, too. No frustration at all. Why would there be when the important aspects of the work are not shown through vocal dialogue? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Well, I'm not bilingual either. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
And I'm not saying you _can't_ enjoy the work; I'm saying that, though you enjoy the work, it's still frustrating to have parts with dialogs you didn't understand. But mayhap it's just me: I'm the kind of guy who would look up in the dictionary for each and every word he didn't understand and stop and replay/reread any part of a work/book he wasn't sure about getting all the meanings (and yes, it's frustrating to watch anything with me because of that [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]).
Enjoying and understanding are different things of course, and you can have one without the other, but as for me, I *hate* not understanding completely (up to my own limits, of course [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]) a work I'm watching/reading.