I believe there was already a topic on this in the last few days. As others have said, I personally don’t find the character art very appealing. But those of us here are probably pretty biased due to the anime nature of all these games. Also as others have said, I’m not sure if this game getting spotlight is a good or a bad thing for the genre. If it’s not very good, it’s certainly not going to help the genre.
Yeah, I mentioned it somewhere. Don’t remember where. It’s probably in the Lamuness off-topic thread.
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I don’t like the character designs at all. I don’t think that I’d say the anime characters are better just because they are created in anime style and I like anime. It’s not impossible for someone to prefer the character style of that game over an anime style game like Duel Savior, but I’m sure they’d be in the vast minority. Most people, even without any knowledge of anime would prefer the anime style over that game’s style.
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Most people, even without any knowledge of anime would prefer the anime style over that game's style.
I don't know about that. My roommate is your typical American young adult when it comes to anime; his exposure to it consists of little more than Dragonball Z. I showed my him some non-H CG from the game Kimi Ga Nozumu Eien (from when they're in high school), and he didn't like the character designs at all. Needless to say I was amazed. May I ask if anyone here would care to agree with him? Oddly enough, he wasn't turned off by Asuka from Evangelion in her jump suit (ruling out loli-phobia). I showed him a variety of different female characters from anime shows and games, and the best response I got was "it's not bad." He's not here now, but I'm confident that he would pick Sprung's designs over most anime ones any day.
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My objection probably wouldn’t be the art but the plot… one of the fun things about the Japanese games is picking up all the strange cultural references as you go. (Which is a problem I have to face as a non-Japanese game developer…)
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My objection probably wouldn't be the art but the plot... one of the fun things about the Japanese games is picking up all the strange cultural references as you go. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] (Which is a problem I have to face as a non-Japanese game developer...)
Yea that too.
I don't think we're their target market though either.
And its not like there weren't other non-H anime dating sims released commercially to the public at broad.
I just want them to release some more anime ones in english in the style of true love with the stats, but also a semi-dynamic storyline based on what you do beforehand, where you go, etc. Not just stat driven or choice driven. I really don't care if they're H or non-H, but yea, i want them to be anime. It just isn't right imo if it isn't somehow....like live-action Evangelion.
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I really don't care if they're H or non-H, but yea, i want them to be anime. It just isn't right imo if it isn't somehow....like live-action Evangelion.
Yeah, that pretty much sums up my attitude with regards to 2D designs. No anime?...not interested. I've seen some nice 3D, though, so I can't rule that out, especially if the 3D involves a Sci-Fi or fantasy storyline.
when does eva come out anyway
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Yea that too.I don't think we're their target market though either.
And its not like there weren't other non-H anime dating sims released commercially to the public at broad.
I just want them to release some more anime ones in english in the style of true love with the stats, but also a semi-dynamic storyline based on what you do beforehand, where you go, etc. Not just stat driven or choice driven. I really don't care if they're H or non-H, but yea, i want them to be anime. It just isn't right imo if it isn't somehow....like live-action Evangelion.[/B]
The style of that game defintely seems to be more in line with the adult US titles and eros comics, especially in the design of the girls.
Ive heard in more than one place that a major difference between much of the adult market US v JP is that the T'nA aspect is front and center in US works (as a general rule) where as JP can lean more towards the innocence and vulnerability aspect as to what 'turns on'.
From my own anime and gaming experience, I very much agree and wonder if this plus the fact that culturally we dont have the concept of girls marrying young continues to keep hentai and renai games of various types of having a greater impact here.
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quote:It could be, but i'd like to see that study. I'm sure if that's the reason, its out there because companies do so much pre-market testing now.
Originally posted by Miau:
Ive heard in more than one place that a major difference between much of the adult market US v JP is that the T'nA aspect is front and center in US works (as a general rule) where as JP can lean more towards the innocence and vulnerability aspect as to what 'turns on'.From my own anime and gaming experience, I very much agree and wonder if this plus the fact that culturally we dont have the concept of girls marrying young continues to keep hentai and renai games of various types of having a greater impact here.
Still it could just recycling old stuff cuz it worked before. That is also quite common, in fact moreso than anything else. I mean how many MMOFRPGs are there now after Ultima Online came out in 1997? FPS after Doom came out? RT Tactical games after WarCraft?
The model they would be using would likely be based on the American Porn idustry, without the porn for this one.
Everything is about sales of course and if you know something sells, why take a risk, eh? Like all those SIM expansions (ugh).
I mean there is a deamnd for it. I mean Thousand Arms, is a medicore anime RPG, but because it has a dating function on it (as well as goodies) it sells for as much as Lunar:SSSC. Yrust me, if it weren't for that aspect, even with the goodies it would not get for a used copy on ebay ~$45-50 on average because even without them (ie someone just has the game and sometimes not even the manual) and it goes for $25-30. (Yea i got a copy of it with everything and a rare promotial poster).
Yes there is definatly an untapped market fro non-H anime ren'ai games.
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quote:There doesn't seem to be any T&A deficit in the adult products sold by J-List. Nor does the theory apply to most Japanese b-games that are localized for the English market, although the reason for that might be that they are produced by just a few companies.
Originally posted by Miau:
Ive heard in more than one place that a major difference between much of the adult market US v JP is that the T'nA aspect is front and center in US works (as a general rule) where as JP can lean more towards the innocence and vulnerability aspect as to what 'turns on'.
quote:A larger problem might be that bishoujo games are generally classified as porn [even though they're not], and Americans have a hard time coming to terms with such material.
From my own anime and gaming experience, I very much agree and wonder if this plus the fact that culturally we dont have the concept of girls marrying young continues to keep hentai and renai games of various types of having a greater impact here.
I just asked my roommate about Sprung’s designs compared to a large number of anime designs…he immediately and unequivocally responded that Sprung’s designs were better. Interestingly, he stated his reason was that the Sprung’s characters “don’t look like little kids.” I didn’t just show him loli anime stuff either. Also interestingly, he thought Sakura from Card Captor Sakura didn’t look all that young, yet he balked at a picture of Haruka in her school uniform. I think he’s very confused…but whatever.
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quote:Sounds that way. You gotta show him some of the less comical intense anime, like Gantz.
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Interestingly, he thought Sakura from Card Captor Sakura didn't look all that young, yet he balked at a picture of Haruka in her school uniform. I think he's very confused...but whatever.
But also in the anime community outside Japan there is a lack of knowledge about ren'ai games and that could really impact the situation as well.
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I showed him this picture from Three Sister’s Story, and he liked it a lot: http://www.galleryblue.net/blue/3SistersStory/pictures/72026.jpg
For some reason, he didn’t think it was anime. Like I said…he’s confused. I’m guessing that “cuteness” as we (I?) think of it is a turn-off to him. He seems to like “sexy” outfits that expose skin or curves, which would explain why he like the picture of Asuka in her jump suit. He also said he likes red hair…I don’t know how that factors in.
But you’re right about the lack of knowledge of ren’ai games in the anime community…not that too many exist in English outside of the H-game genre. It really was kind of fascinating that people in my anime club were amazed that such a thing as an H-game could exist (this after having seen an anime about a bunch of bishoujo otakus that formed a dubious school club). I really should look up the name of the anime and post it here. I’m sure the people here would get a kick out of it.
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Ah, I found it! It was called Genshiken. Go here for a synopsis: http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1442,qifeae,genshiken.html
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It sounds like the translation of the synopsis wasn’t done by someone who knows English that well. The text used “collage” instead of “college”, and the last sentence is weird.
Well, yeah, the English of the synopsis isn’t all that great. I put the link up to give people an idea what the show is about, not to demonstrate the beauty of perfect grammar in action. Contrary to what the synopsis implies, the characters are not just general anime otaku. They’re definitely bishoujo otaku.
Hell, looking back over it, the synopsis really isn’t that good, so I’ll just write one myself. Genshiken is about a new college student who is looking for an anime club. What he finds is Genshiken, or the Organization for the Study of Contemporary Visual Culture. He finds the club’s meeting room on the top floor of an old derelict building, and goes inside to find some weird guys bantering in a room full of posters of anime girls. He sits quietly for a while, and eventually the others leave, promising they’ll be back in a little bit. The main character takes this chance to explore the room. He looks around an finds a figurine of Haruka from Kiminozo. Of course, he takes this opportunity to look up her skirt. Reasoning that they must be stashing the “good stuff” somewhere, he proceeds to a locker and hits the H-doujinshi jackpot. His eyes widen as he scans furtively through their collection…and then the group bursts in on him, laughing. This had been his “freshman initiation test,” and he’d passed with flying colors. Throw in a clueless otaku who looks outwardly normal, and a jealous girlfriend who can’t believe he’d prefer drawings to the real deal, and you’ve got a formula for some quality humor.
As you can see, it’s pretty wacky. The designers obviously know a bit of bishoujo culture, and it’s kind of interesting to see bishoujo culture through the eyes of the Japanese themselves. It’s definitely a recommended watch for any self-proclaimed bishoujo fans out there (hint: that would be all of you!)
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Interesting…another anime i’ll haveto check out…