Whoa, that Cyber Date website is pretty crazy. Yeah, I am pretty ignorant of the progress made in the adult industry, this is news to me too, but not surprising. I remember one of the Dilbert comics describing the future of virtual reality as a place not unlike May Club, where people go there to enjoy themselves, instead of as a PG Star Trek: The Next Generation Holodeck environment. If I remember correctly, Dilbert stayed in the virtual reality cubicle for months and refused to come back out to meet his real date.
Talk about safe sex ! I commend this site !
It isn’t the fact that sex is evil, it’s premarital and non consentual sex that is. Using sex to sell something is wrong and selling sex is wrong. Let’s face it, nobody would buy Peach Princess games if it weren’t for the sex. Let’s face it, Peach Princess gamers aren’t true gamers. True gamers play games for gameplay rather than sexual content. Peach games are all content and no substance; and of course an abomination for stealing the name of the awesome Princess Peach Toadstool, which belongs to Nintendo. Peach Princess is a porn company, like it or not. It uses sex and viewings of sex to sell their games because they contain no real gaming substance. My advice is to get the hell out of gaming and stick with porn movies, and I’m sure any true gamer would agree with me.
I also strongly disapprove of premarital sex and nonconsensual sex, but you are wrong in presuming that the Bishoujo games condone and encourage what you would call unethical and immoral behavior. Sex is far from the most important element in Bishoujo games with sexual content, and you are erroneous in drawing the conclusion that the Peach Princess games is all sexual content and no substance. A lot of the mainstream console games like To Heart and Eve Burst Error started as PC Bishoujo games with sexual content, but when they made the transition to PlayStation and Sega Saturn respectively, they had the sexual content stripped. Did people buy these games? Yes. This is irrefutable evidence to counter your argument that ‘People won’t buy Bishoujo games if it wasn’t for the sexual situation.’
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Ok people bring out the flamethrowers
ToadStool, you’re wrong, very wrong. Firstly, I know that for a fact I would still buy these games if they did not have sexually content, and there are bishoujo games that DO have no sexual content (Princess Maker II, EVE: Burst Error and Graduation). It is the story of most of these games that make them worth playing. I say most, as there are some that admittably only seem to deal with sex content (I haven’t seen any like this from Peach Princess though). It’s obvious that you are not interested in these games, and people here are not interested in hearing your invalid opinions and arguements.
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Originally posted by PrincessToadstoolLover:
It isn't the fact that sex is evil, it's premarital and non consentual sex that is. Using sex to sell something is wrong and selling sex is wrong.
I agree with the non-consentual sex issue, but premarital sex is a very subjective view that is limited to the beliefs of several particular religions, which not everyone shares. In any case, this game does not promote the idea of either. Being unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality is a problem regulated only to those who have serious mental issues or try to make excuses for their own bad actions.
Do you happen to own jeans? Do you happen to own anything by Calvin Klein? Do you watch TV? These are all things that are promoted via the impression of sexuality, are all these things wrong? For those... "true games"... look at Tomb Raider, and how popular it became. I'm sure it wasn't just about gameplay.
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Let's face it, nobody would buy Peach Princess games if it weren't for the sex.
Untrue. Perhaps you haven't been over to the MegaTokyo forums. While that forum and our own tends to disagree on many points (such as those brought up here), there is a fanbase for non-sexual bishoujo games as well, and people long for a market for those games, yet story-intensive romantic games don't seem to have a market outside of Japan.
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Let's face it, Peach Princess gamers aren't true gamers. True gamers play games for gameplay rather than sexual content.
And on what basis do you judge this? Again, look at Tomb Raider, or Grand Theft Auto, or Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Sex and violence sell. Look once more at the non-sexual bishoujo games, why are these not popular then? They contain no hardcore violence or massive amounts of sexual implication, so why are these not popular outside of Japan? The kinds of games that do sell clearly don't support the fact that gamers are concerned about content.
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Peach games are all content and no substance; and of course an abomination for stealing the name of the awesome Princess Peach Toadstool, which belongs to Nintendo. Peach Princess is a porn company, like it or not.
While I like the Mario games, peach is a rather feminine and "cute" color, which fits well with the company's motto of "Lovely Angel Fantasy Tonight." Princess also fits in for obvious reasons. A striking coincedence, to be sure, but the words "peach" and "princess" were hardly developed by Nintendo.
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It uses sex and viewings of sex to sell their games because they contain no real gaming substance. My advice is to get the hell out of gaming and stick with porn movies, and I'm sure any true gamer would agree with me.
See above. Peach Princess games do contain sex, there is no denying that. If you view sexuality as an abomination, clearly you are going to be opposed to them. However, anyone who bought them for "viewings of sex" would be sadly disappointed since you would have to spend a lot of time fast-forwarding through large portions of story to get to those parts... which is an awful lot of effort just to get your jollies.
A word to "true gamers" out there. You forget your origins. At one point in time, videogames were an abomination. You were lifeless, worthless wastes of space who all closeted yourself away from the rest of the world and lacked any social grace whatsoever. That view was held not even a decade ago, but now even the most admant of active jocks have at least played a sports game. Clearly it's convenient to forget this now that you're on top, and to condemn others. I have gamed for 12 of my 18 years, and I know full well what it was like. If you don't enjoy the content of Peach Princess' games, that is your right. However, do not come around with your unsupported stereotyping and irrational criticism. You were once on the receiving end as well.
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Okay, you bring Tomb Raider, Grand Theft Auto, and Wolfenstein up in your argument. I said true games, try to pay attention. You’re obviously a gaming newbie that first heard of video games when PSX was released. I’m a true gamer, stop trying to argue with your superiors.
Who said there was anything wrong with reproduction? I said sex after marriage works. It’s not right for a child to be born to unmarried parents and unmarried couples obviously aren’t ready for a child if they can’t even decide if they’re meant for each other, which is why premarital sex is WRONG.
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Who said there was anything wrong with reproduction? I said sex after marriage works. It's not right for a child to be born to unmarried parents and unmarried couples obviously aren't ready for a child if they can't even decide if they're meant for each other, which is why premarital sex is WRONG.
Ahem, I seriously have to ask you who you are to judge other people just like that? My parents were unmarried by the time they got me and my sisters, and it worked perfectly well, I can tell you. Besides, the "no-sex-before-marriage"-thing is dying, I can tell you, even in the more conservative countries in the worlds. Most of the people I know (both males and females) have lost their virginty, and they haven't had any throughts of marriage, at least not yet.
And about you being a "superior gamer"... you're joking, right? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]. The games that Peach Princess releases are as good, real and equal to the gmaes you call "true games" by the way, which you'd have known if you really were a "superior gamer". Peach Princes sgames are in many way much better than many games out there. I've seen a little too many games with no story, no interesting gameplay or anything else that makes a game interesting in my eyes to be all that interested in most games out there -with the exception of a few games - buy all that many games unlike before. hoewever, Peach Princess always offer games with interesting stories or ineresting gameplay... Even through they aren't able to offer most of the very best adult bishoujo games from Japan, the games they offer are still very good and worth to play.
And if you don't think in that way, then go and play the non-adult bishoujo games instead - they are in many ways as good as the adult ones [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Besides... why do you seem to think that sex in a game is wrong? there's sex in movies, sex in books, sex in comics and even sex in art, so why would it be wrong with games with sex too?
Peach Princes sgames are in many way much better than many games out there. I’ve seen a little too many games with no story, no interesting gameplay or anything else that makes a game interesting in my eyes to be all that interested in most games out there -with the exception of a few games - buy all that many games unlike before. hoewever, Peach Princess always offer games with interesting stories or ineresting gameplay…
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Uhm… so Nintendo games suck because there’s no story? I remember when all they gave us for story was Mario rescuing the princess from a dinosaur and we were perfectly happy. Link had to find the triforce and we didn’t care why, we just played the game and had fun, and this was with 8 bit graphics, not your new 3D stuff. Yeah, those were the days. Now you new gamers think games are books and need all that smelly plot and character development, well I spit on you. Thank god we still have Nintendo to provide games to the elite, the classic, the true gamers, and as the name implies, GameCube is gaming to the third power. There is not a single bad GameCube game. There were a few below average N64 titles, but the greater concentration of the system was made up of solid titles. SNES had a few bad games, but it had more good games than any system to date. Playstation’s loaded with sex and has only a few good games, ditto with Playstation 2 minus the good games. And of course these crap ‘games’ which are actually just a way to sell cartoon porn are worse than Sony.
Oh christ this person is ignorant and stupid…
It’s obvious that you are a troll that’s just come over to this board to provoke people…
If you aren’t then you are just stupid wasting your time here.
But my biggest question is: What is an “elite” gamer like you doing here and how did you find this board?
Oh christ this person is ignorant and stupid…
It’s obvious that you are a troll that’s just come over to this board to provoke people…
If you aren’t then you are just stupid wasting your time here.
But my biggest question is: What is an “elite” gamer like you doing here and how did you find this board?
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Troll? Please, I am more erudite than you could wish to be. What is an elite gamer like me doing here? Princess Toadstool has been my favorite Nintendo character ever since her hilarious joke in Super Mario Brothers 3 (“I’m sorry, but our princess is in another castle. Ha ha, no just kidding!” I still laugh every time!) and I am outranged that such an abomination of her good name would be used to title a sex company and must correct this crime. Nintendo should sue. How did I find out about it? Well, I was searching for things on ESRB and some game came up… it was rated A which would catch anybody’s eye since it’s an uncommon rating… then I saw the company and was shocked. I mean, profaning the name of Princess Toadstool is worse than Bill Gates stealing from apple, worse than Monica Lewinsky and Wild Bill, worse than the fact that Squaresoft went into a downward spiral of suckiness. Nintendo’s been my friend since 1985, and one of my best. I stand up for my friends, which is what any noble person would do.
Ahem, what’s wrong with there being a story in a game, if I may ask? Sure, it might be fun to play a game without a story for a while, but… after some time, how fun it is, really? Gamers nowadays doesn’t want games with no stories, if you ask me - well, most doesn’t. A story adds more entertainment to a game and makes it more exciting and funny to play it, too.
and if you ask me if Nintendos gmaes suck because that they’ve got no story, then I’m afraid that I have to say that that’s right; without any story, what’s the whole point, the whole purpose of the game? Just like most people doesn’t just want “mindless action” when they’re watching a film, they doens’t want just “mindless entertainment” when they play a game (at least not nowadays - the gaming genre and market has matured in that way).
And about Peach Princess being just “cartoon porn”… your saying of this just shows how little you know about the genre. and as long as you don’t know anything about the genre, you’ve got no right to critice it (at least not in my opinion)… my suggestion is that you go and learn more about the genre, then you can come back - if you’ve matured enough by then, that’s it . Or just go back to your TV and play on your nintendo and let the rest of the world take care of itself instead of causing it trouble and insult people.
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I’m starting to think this dude isn’t a troll, he’s just a plain old nut. Hey Toad stool why don’t you go back to playing Pong, and give it a rest.
Ahem, what’s wrong with there being a story in a game, if I may ask? Sure, it might be fun to play a game without a story for a while, but… after some time, how fun it is, really? Gamers nowadays doesn’t want games with no stories, if you ask me - well, most doesn’t. A story adds more entertainment to a game and makes it more exciting and funny to play it, too.
There’s nothing wrong with a story in a game… there’s just something wrong if that story takes up the whole game and there’s no room left for gameplay. I enjoy a good story as much as anybody else, I just think they’re best left in Harry Potter rather than being brought into Mario. The main point of a video game is gameplay, as the name implies. As Miyamoto said, you watch movies for stories, you play games for fun. It’s not Nintendo’s job to make movies, they make games and they do a damned good job of it.
and if you ask me if Nintendos gmaes suck because that they’ve got no story, then I’m afraid that I have to say that that’s right; without any story, what’s the whole point, the whole purpose of the game? Just like most people doesn’t just want “mindless action” when they’re watching a film, they doens’t want just “mindless entertainment” when they play a game (at least not nowadays - the gaming genre and market has matured in that way).
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The whole purpose of the game is to have fun, and you have fun by playing the game, you have fun by being challenged rather than watching some moronic story unfold, which is why Final Fantasy post PSX suck. They’re all pressing A to get out of the characters talking so you can actually do something; and when you get to the part where you get to play, the game’s too damned easy and the battles lack fun.
Thank god for Nintendo, though. Pokemon Gold and Silver sold over 7 million copies, which demonstrates that there are still gamers out there that appreciate innovative gameplay rather than flashiness. It proves there are true gamers like me.
Oh yes… and what do you define mindless action as? Let’s take a look at Nintendo’s GameCube titles, shall we? Pikmin - another innovative game from the master, Miyamoto. You use strategy to defeat foes and if you mindlessly send your Pikmin to attack the monsters that inhabit the planet, I feel sorry for the Captain Olimar under your control. Luigi’s Mansion - Not the most difficult game out there, but undeniably fun. It’s well worth trying out for hard core gamers and if your strategy is to just suck up ghosts, have fun trying to get the portraits. Super Smash Brothers Melee - The Best Game of All Time. You think this game is all button mashing and mindless fighting? Well, play me and watch me kick your damn ass out of Pokemon stadium with Jigglypuff, k? Wave Race Blue Storm - The water is realistic and perfect for this game, I usually don’t really care much about realism in a game, but racing games need it unless it’s a missile shootin’ kart game (which I love, don’t get me wrong. I can’t wait for Mario Kart GCN.) The gameplay and challenge on this game is great.
Gameplay is what games are founded on. Newbie Playstation lovers like you don’t understand that.
True gamers play Nintendo.
I’m starting to think this dude isn’t a troll, he’s just a plain old nut. Hey Toad stool why don’t you go back to playing Pong, and give it a rest.
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Pong’s been updated… shows how much you know about video games. I have my Gameboy Advance and Mario Tennis game with me at all times.
While I like the Mario games, peach is a rather feminine and “cute” color, which fits well with the company’s motto of “Lovely Angel Fantasy Tonight.” Princess also fits in for obvious reasons. A striking coincedence, to be sure, but the words “peach” and “princess” were hardly developed by Nintendo.
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The words “The” and “Legend” and “of” and “Zelda” weren’t made up by Nintendo either, but they’d be able sue if somebody started calling an unofficial game that.
yawn done yet? Then let me tell you this: You say that a game is something you play for fun? Well, it is, but
as I said: where will the fun go if there’s nothing new? As I said in the “help” part of the forum, there’s nearly never anything new in any Maro-game, you just keep playing almost the same story over and over again, and how fun is that? No fun, if you ask me. and a mario-game is always single-pathed - you only play one path on the game and no matter how many times you replay the game, you just keep play the same story, encountering the same characters, and goes through the same events and so on… bores me to death, I’ll tell you To summarize… the games you keep talking about are no fun (in my opinion), because of various reasons.
About pokemon selling 7 millions, how many of all those do you think are children? Pokemon is popular maong childern, and the children are the largest part of those who buys Pokemon. And I hardly think of children as “experienced” gamers.
It’s more fun to unfold a story, rather than just walk around and stomping on enemies if you ask me, Where’s the challenge in that? Some games, escapilly bishoujo games aren’t all that easy to play as Mario-games - they provide us with a much geather entertainmkent valute, gameplay valute and challenging valute than any mario game ever will be able to, in my opinion
By the way, I don’t even own a playstation, so you can’t call me a “Playstation newbie” . And also… nintendo have had its “golden age” but that “golden age” has passed since long ago. Nintendo won’t ever be able to go back to that “golden age” which you does seem to believe in - face it .
yawn done yet? Then let me tell you this: You say that a game is something you play for fun? Well, it is, but
as I said: where will the fun go if there’s nothing new? As I said in the “help” part of the forum, there’s nearly never anything new in any Maro-game, you just keep playing almost the same story over and over again, and how fun is that? No fun, if you ask me. and a mario-game is always single-pathed - you only play one path on the game and no matter how many times you replay the game, you just keep play the same story, encountering the same characters, and goes through the same events and so on… bores me to death, I’ll tell you To summarize… the games you keep talking about are no fun (in my opinion), because of various reasons.
No single player game is completely different every time you play through it, but they don’t need to be. I’ve played Super Mario Brothers 2 countless times through and still play it today. Though I’ve beaten the Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening, it holds a permanent home in my GameBoy Advance carrying case because I still play it. Arguing that Nintendo can’t make games is futile.
About pokemon selling 7 millions, how many of all those do you think are children? Pokemon is popular maong childern, and the children are the largest part of those who buys Pokemon. And I hardly think of children as “experienced” gamers.
Which shows your stupidity. When you’re young, you don’t care about the violence in a game, you don’t care about the sex, you don’t care about the gore. You play games because they’re fun, and Nintendo gamers, people like me, never let go of that experience. That’s what it means to be a true gamer. A true game appeals to people of all ages, and Shigeru Miyamoto, the greatest man ever made, creates that aspect in every game he creates.
It’s more fun to unfold a story, rather than just walk around and stomping on enemies if you ask me, Where’s the challenge in that? Some games, escapilly bishoujo games aren’t all that easy to play as Mario-games - they provide us with a much geather entertainmkent valute, gameplay valute and challenging valute than any mario game ever will be able to, in my opinion
How to unfold a story by PKMN:
A) Press A/Circle/Cross/B when text boxes appear.
This is the end of this FAQ.
Oh yes, what does geather mean? The rest of your spelling mistakes are pretty easily figured.
The only reason you think that your little sex games are challenging is that it’s hard to play a game with one hand. There’s no real challenge in buukicuuki or whatever the hell kind of games these are other than clicking on some crap, which isn’t hard at all. Nintendo game challenge, however, is perfect. Pikmin (10/10), Wave Race (9/10), and Smash Brothers Melee (10/10) are neither too easy or impossible. You’ll never get tired of these games. Luigi’s Mansion falls short in the challenge category, but is still VERY fun to play which earns it an 8/10 in my review.
By the way, I don’t even own a playstation, so you can’t call me a “Playstation newbie” . And also… nintendo have had its “golden age” but that “golden age” has passed since long ago. Nintendo won’t ever be able to go back to that “golden age” which you does seem to believe in - face it
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Uhh… you don’t have Playstation, you imply that you don’t have Nintendo, so what else is there? PC and Xbox? Nintendo’s never left its golden age, and is still delivering the fun and challenging gameplay that it did with the NES and Super NES and is successful because of it. Nintendo will never lose their creativity and Nintendo will never die.