Do You Like (DE)Mosaiced Games?

Visual Novel Community Archive, 2000-2009
#21
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Originally posted by OUTgunned:
Hmmm I've got a feeling of deja-vu about this subject. Think I read something like this before ... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Hardcore is best suited for music and xxx-movies, not games

Why do you feel this way, OUTgunned? I feel that if a story is being told about people, then sex will sometimes be a part of it, and sex is a normal and natural part of life, so why the drama about hiding it?

please be assured I am not flaming you, i am honestly asking why you feel this way

#22

Ok I gotta admit this question caught me off guard a bit and don’t worry I didn’t takeit as flaming.

Basicly my opinion came from me being a black and white guy. You either do something right or not at all. And I feel that cartoon style sex is in the grey area so I can easily live without it.

Though your point is valid that sex can be part of the story it only holds true for a select few games. And if it’s really part of the story then the mosiacs shouldn’t be a problem for anyone, right ?

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Originally posted by ladyphoenix:
Why do you feel this way, OUTgunned? I feel that if a story is being told about people, then sex will sometimes be a part of it, and sex is a normal and natural part of life, so why the drama about hiding it?

please be assured I am not flaming you, i am honestly asking why you feel this way

#23
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Originally posted by Interzone:
The obvious reason is that without their removal it would be commercial suicide. My comments on the law and artists preference were just explaining my own reasons.

Well, I'd say that we don't know for sure about that; if it would be suicide to not remove them. The Critcal Point Limited Edition don't realy count, since there were a choice of an edition where they had been "removed" too ^^;.

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Originally posted by Interzone:
As Lamuness explained, this would apply to mainly older games where no detail was orignally drawn in. But what about new Trabulance and ZyX games (even Casual Romance Club) that do very clearly depict genitals and mask them only with an ultra-thin mosaic? Do the artists not have the presumably uncensored pre-mosaic CG? If they do, what is the problem?

Err, and exactly how do you define an "older" game? 10 yers? 3 years? The Crowd-games are, in most cases, not that old, but I still think that many of the re-drawings doesn't look too good ^^;. I've played one Crowd-game in it's original japanese form, and I fear to think about what the art may look like if it's re-drawn, since I think it's just fine as it is now...

#24
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Originally posted by OUTgunned:
Though your point is valid that sex can be part of the story it only holds true for a select few games. And if it's really part of the story then the mosiacs shouldn't be a problem for anyone, right ?

Depends on whom you ask ^^;. soem are in for it for the sex only, some are in it for the stories only and some are in it for both. Sadly, the first one mentioned seems to be the bulk of Peach Princess's customers today, while the later two are many of those who comes to this board, and most of us here aren't too concerned about the mosaics at all.

#25

you get used to mosaics after a little while – it’s not a big deal and in itself is a style

#26

It seens to me many of us are not bored by mosaics at all.

So let me make another question: If someday PeaPri or other company release a translated Bishojo games with mosaics - and just ONE version, no two versions, like Critical Point, you will buy?

(don’t take me wrong, i loved CritPoint. BTW i bought just the L.Edt. with mosaics)

#27

Its the story not the mosiacs, i loved CRC, mostly because im a dating sim fan… if more dating sims came in but had mosiacs… id be broke all the time.

#28
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Originally posted by Peter Gilis:
So let me make another question: If someday PeaPri or other company release a translated Bishojo games with mosaics - and just ONE version, no two versions, like Critical Point, you will buy?

I am pretty sure that most of us in the board (if not all of us) will buy it. However, the question remains: what about the rest of the potential buyers? Will they lose interest because of that?

#29
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Originally posted by fxho:
I am pretty sure that most of us in the board (if not all of us) will buy it. However, the question remains: what about the rest of the potential buyers? Will they lose interest because of that?

More than likely, unfortunately. For quite a number of people, being able to "see everything" is an important factor to them.

#30

If it has boobies, the game will be equally inaccessible to 18 under and be construed as 'perverse.'

If it has boobies and mosaics, it will be construed as ‘censored’ to the mainstream audience that don’t understand the Japanese decency laws, and will garner too much negative attention to even invite a second glance. Some reviews even evaluate a game based on its graphic nature.

Noting that the people with the largest disposable income are 18+, sticking with the demosaiced game should be the only feasible option to protect the market.

Note most of the successful Anime licensees have a greater dub to sub proportion. Don’t laugh that down, because it is true Dub sales >>>> Sub sales. DVD helped fixed that impasse luckily by providing multiple language tracks.

#31

Personally I don’t mind either way. But I know that mosaics is not a selling point with the games and it may actually hurt sales so it’s for the best interest of the US companies to demosiac the game before bringing it here. Why risk losing sales on an already niche market?

#32

I prefer de-mosaiced games, but only if the detail is already drawn. If there is no detail then mosaics are much better as they enable you to use your imagination. You can’t do that if the blatently isn’t anything there. Personally if it meant that more bishoujo games were released, I would take mosaicing any day.

#33

All in all I would prefer non-mosaic as much as any man but that’s only because I find it annoying to see art renderings with “flaws”.

It’s hard to believe anyone playing these games only for the adult content. There’s plenty of better things to get to satisfy those needs. Unless you’re not 18 yet …

#34
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Originally posted by OUTgunned:
It's hard to believe anyone playing these games only for the adult content. There's plenty of better things to get to satisfy those needs. Unless you're not 18 yet ...

Sad but it's true that there are people like that out there. And not all of them are under 18. Hopefully that's changing as more and more people realize that there is more to these games than the adult content in the first place...

#35
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Originally posted by ekylo:
Sad but it's true that there are people like that out there. And not all of them are under 18. Hopefully that's changing as more and more people realize that there is more to these games than the adult content in the first place...

While I agree that there more obvious alternatives for anyone looking soley for adult content, I think it's unfair that their contribution to the genre is (dis)regarded as "sad but true". Perhaps the percentage of customers are of this persuasion are small, perhaps not, but personally I couldn't care less what reasons anyone has for buying bishojo games, as long as they keep selling in sufficient numbers and we get our hands on more titles as a result [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

#36
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Originally posted by OUTgunned:
It's hard to believe anyone playing these games only for the adult content. There's plenty of better things to get to satisfy those needs. Unless you're not 18 yet ...

Well...not to be a dick or anything...but well, we already know people play these games only for the adult content. Certainly not those of us here, but there really isn't much of an explanation for sales data, if you discount that.

Asking WHY is a perfectly valid point; people criticized BMX XXX for the same reason. Too much work for too little titillation. Now...I won't deny the principal attraction of Kango 1 was ... easy money, so to speak; but I also adore Snow Drop, and I actually feel Critical Point could have been BETTER without all the sex scenes.

#37
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Originally posted by Interzone:
While I agree that there more obvious alternatives for anyone looking soley for adult content, I think it's unfair that their contribution to the genre is (dis)regarded as "sad but true". Perhaps the percentage of customers are of this persuasion are small, perhaps not, but personally I couldn't care less what reasons anyone has for buying bishojo games, as long as they keep selling in sufficient numbers and we get our hands on more titles as a result [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

*shrug* Just my opinion on the matter. So far, the majority of the people I'm running into who are gettting the games just for the adult content are pirating them (lots of mentions of "kazaa" or severe reluctance to go for offical help with things). And for those actually buying them legally, while it helps the business, to me it's like buying an illustrated version of a novel and just looking at the pictures, you miss out on a lot. Both cases are "sad" situations to me.

Now, I am differentiating between those who continually get the games only for the adult content and those who initially get into the games for the adult content but continue with them because they realize there's more than just that. While both support the industry, I would rather have more of the latter class than the former.

#38
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Originally posted by ekylo:
*shrug* Just my opinion on the matter. So far, the majority of the people I'm running into who are gettting the games just for the adult content are pirating them (lots of mentions of "kazaa" or severe reluctance to go for offical help with things). And for those actually buying them legally, while it helps the business, to me it's like buying an illustrated version of a novel and just looking at the pictures, you miss out on a lot. Both cases are "sad" situations to me.

Now, I am differentiating between those who continually get the games only for the adult content and those who initially get into the games for the adult content but continue with them because they realize there's more than just that. While both support the industry, I would rather have more of the latter class than the former.


Personally I don't care who we have more of as long as we have more of them. We need an army of bishoujo players so I can plot my takeover of the world [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
I don't think it's sad that some people only buy the games for the pictures. It's whatever floats their boat. As long as they are paying for the product and not being a leech and pirating it, they can enjoy what they bought however they feel like it. Some people can like it for the sexual content, while others can like it for the engaging story.
#39
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Originally posted by wanfu2k1:

Personally I don't care who we have more of as long as we have more of them. We need an army of bishoujo players so I can plot my takeover of the world [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

That would be a duplication of resources, my recommendation is that you contact my janitorial department; they're already working on a plan.

#40
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Originally posted by wanfu2k1:
I don't think it's sad that some people only buy the games for the pictures. It's whatever floats their boat. As long as they are paying for the product and not being a leech and pirating it, they can enjoy what they bought however they feel like it. Some people can like it for the sexual content, while others can like it for the engaging story.

That depends on which sales they generate too.
After all, the companies have to plan their releases based on sales figures in order to stay in business. And if those porn-freaks made the easy and plotless games like Tsuki best-sellers, we can say goodbye to a-class-releases liek Kana and Crecendo in the close future.

Instead, we'll see the release of:
Shukketsu Bo
Shukketsu Bo 2
Shukketsu Bo 3
Shukketsu Bo 4
.
.
.


Now, do you see the point about Sad, but true?