Dokusen (Possession)

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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Kumiko will repeat that the demo movie does not do the game itself justice, really... trust her! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by Kumiko Kamiyama (edited 11-19-2001).]

Umm... it's about the tenth time you've said that ^^;;;. Trust us, we trust on you!! (or... maybe you don't trust on us and therefore keeps repating yourself?) *makes a VERY sad face* [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
No... Kumiko was just responding to ladyphoenix's comment about the demo movie looking awesome... but the thing is, it doesn't begin to do the actual game justice, even if anyone thinks the demo (actually, it's the OP movie) looks great. So, Kumiko is stressing the actual game is far better than that OP movie, that's all. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] It was more for ladyphoenix-san...

Hmm, ok...Well, it's always good to know that if the game's better than your first impression of it, you can except A LOT from it [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

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If you consider the titles we are working on from Crowd, there's little reason to look any further. It isn't just us - don't forget that Crowd has to do a lot of the work too, and they really don't have time to worry about a market that doesn't sell enough copies to justify their investment in time. This is becoming a very large concern for us - it is extremely difficult to ask the Japanese companies to spend a lot of time with CG retouching or programming conversion when they just don't see a good business reason to do so. The economy is not good there, or here, so it's just common sense - they cannot afford to have their staff wasting time on non-profitable ventures. We will see how things go... Kumiko's just stating that everyone should realize that we have no leverage to speak of, no real way to say "we need this work done by [insert date]". They can't worry about the English release so much that it negatively impacts their work for current games - this applies to any Japanese company. If they did not stay focused on their current projects for release in Japan, they'd wind up out of business and they obviously don't want that (nor does anyone here, surely [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] ) This is similar to how domestic game companies sometimes put projects on hold or even cancel them to focus on certain other projects they feel are more critical - it always gets back to lack of resources and estimated profits for the work being done. Obviously, all these stupid pirates do not help anything, either. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img]

This message has been edited by Kumiko Kamiyama (edited 11-20-2001).]


Nah, the pirates are more of a thorn in our feets than a wheel beneath our feets [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
but then, again... many of those who're pirating doesn't realize the damage they're doing in their pirating (I'm sure that some of those here who're posting on the board know that already). If we can make them aware of the damage they're causing to the market, then there's a chance that they may become honest customers of Peach Princess, instead of stupid pirates [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
But right now we have to endure... "we fall, or we win", it's as simple as that ^^;.

[This message has been edited by Spectator Beholder (edited 11-20-2001).]

By the way, Kumiko, any news from Dave E about the girl’s paths? Hmm… I’d like to know one more thing: can the contest between Kaoru and you end in a draw?

duly noted about the demo being nothing compared to the game, kumiko…but i think one of the reasons i liked the demo movie so much was the music and the effects with the static i like funky effects! LOL

though i have no doubt the game is way better than just the tease it gave me

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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Don't know about any possible "draw".

No luck with the girls' paths... however...

Dave E did try one more time - he played Kaoru being a total jerk, abusing Yukino from the beginning and continuing...

...the result was remarkable! They actually wrote the game script to account for possible reactions no matter how you treat the girls! In this case, Yukino's "Hate" meter stays at maximum (naturally) ... but because of the training he put her through, her other meters rose, including her Synthesis meter. The result was totally natural, but he hadn't really thought about the consequences when he was playing... Yukino winds up hating Kaoru, all right, but she also becomes "in tune" with his own personality! As a result, not only does she hate him and want to return the abuse he has given her (despite her continual orgasmic pleasure as a result) but she also wants to give that same abuse to others! She becomes the Dominatrix... and when he wins the challenge, they have "fun" abusing Tsumugi together as a "climax" (pardon the pun.)

It's one well-written simulation, no question... your choices and the meters showing the results of training truly do change the paths and endings of the game storyline.


Interesting! So Yukino-chan kind of feels like she want to take out her hate for Kaoru on others in this case? Hmm... seems like the game has great reply value to your actions, no doubt [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. Hmm.. the more I hear about Dokusen, the more I'd like to play it myself someday [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]. But the girl's paths still remains... so I hope Dave will get lucky the next time he plays and be successful in unlocking the Girl's paths... Hmm... could it be possible that you have to get all endings the male characters have before you can play the girl's paths?

Oh, and since this is the third page of this topic, I'd better post the link to the poll here again, just in case someone's to lazy to read the topic from the beginning [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

http://www.misterpoll.com/424752251.html

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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Dave E hasn't had any luck with the girls yet, but he's decided to try being less kind to Tsumugi-chan for now. She gets pretty hot! Not to mention she's just WAY too cute! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

( ... such a naughty girl ...! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/redface.gif[/img] )


I'm looking forward towards hearing the result [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] But, poor Tsumugi-chan... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img] (she IS really too cute for her own good [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. While Yukino-chan is the more beautiful of the two, Tsumugi-chan's the cuter [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Dave E thinks he sees how the game is structured, more or less. He doesn't know how things will develop, though. He wound up with Yukino-chan, though. Interesting results... but still no girls' paths. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

There's actually 16 endings...


16 endings!? Hmm, wouldn't that mean that every character has four endings?

Still no success? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img]... well, then I guess that I'll have to wait some more [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Man this really driving me insane. It seems like every time I visit the BBS I lear details about some amazing bishoujo game that I may never see. And this time its even worse, after reading the description of Dokusen and checking out the site I’m actually fantasizing about having a relationship like this… What am I gonna do, every single game I spot affects me some way. I sear by the time I get a girl friend Ill be so messed up from my beloved bishoujo games I wont know what to do. On anoth not has anyone been able to download the demo of this every time I try I get an error message to the effect that the file no longer exists. Im pretty sure I tried all the links listed in this topic thread thus far.

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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Man this really driving me insane. It seems like every time I visit the BBS I lear details about some amazing bishoujo game that I may never see. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/mad.gif[/img] And this time its even worse, after reading the description of Dokusen and checking out the site I'm actually fantasizing about having a relationship like this... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/confused.gif[/img] What am I gonna do, every single game I spot affects me some way. I sear by the time I get a girl friend Ill be so messed up from my beloved bishoujo games I wont know what to do. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] On anoth not has anyone been able to download the demo of this every time I try I get an error message to the effect that the file no longer exists. Im pretty sure I tried all the links listed in this topic thread thus far. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img]

Hmm? The link to the movie should be working (Will hasn't taken down the demo movie ytet, so..). Try this again http://210.238.226.166/download/gr08doku.exe
If it still donesn't work, then try to download it from their main download page http://www.will-japan.co.jp/m_down.htm . the doukusen demo is the one with the "doku.exe" in the end.

I agree with you that it's kind of frustating - we often hear a lot from Kumi-chan and Dave E about various bishoujo games in Japan that may never reach here, if the market doesn't expan'd and/or the pirates stops being a pest to us. but then,a gain, the hope isn't lost yet [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. If you want to see this game, and others that Kumi-chan has told us of in the past, then go to the poll and vote for it, if you haven't alreday, and support future efforts to make the market bigger [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

And don't worry about the girlfriend part, I'm sure that you'll do fine once you get a girlfriend [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. I think that you're not messed up by your beloved bishoujo games - I think in fact you've learned something of them, not the opposite [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img].

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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:

If you want to see this game, and others that Kumi-chan has told us of in the past, then go to the poll and vote for it, if you haven't alreday, and support future efforts to make the market bigger [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

I will kill anyone (not literally though [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] ) who votes that it is ok to have mosaics in the game. Personally, I have no problem with mosaics...Besides, during my *ahem* dark years, I appreciated untranslated japanese games w/ mosaic and I craved them obsessively, so it was not surprising that I had alot of them in my old pc....It is only recently that I take in consideration of the importance of expanding the bishoujo gaming in the western market.

Seriously, if Peapri is to expand its market...It must not create games just to appeal to its hardcore bishoujo fans, such as ourselves in this bbs. Take note that censorship is almost unheard of to most of the consumers of the american adult market...I think ???(better stop contradicting myself ^^)

Talking from experience (although I really hate using this kind of argument), I watched a japanese erotica (I hate porn but I was kinda curious bcuz it was Japanese) during the Fantasia festival (festival where they promote oriental movies). When the audience saw the patches of mosaic, they were disgusted and started to prepare their departure. Albeit unsurprised of the censorship, I contemplated of leaving the movie because of the call of the majority ( a really, really huge majority) Upon seeing the reaction of her audience, the director spoke to us about the cultural and political basis of the censorship. Then, she challenged us into watching her erotic artform. Although she was able to retain alot of the viewers with her compelling (but inarticulate *cough* *cough* what do u expect from a Japanese) speech, a considerable number of viewers still decided to back away from her. It was that time that I was truly certain that most westerners have a low tolerance when it comes to censorship. Moreover, only two members from my circle of friends are able to play a censured game...well only two of us were serious about anime [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]...the others are more interested in the erotic aspect of the game.

Anyways, the perception that I want the fans to project to the japanese companies is that, even though we are going to buy the games to support the genre, they must at least have an exact understanding that those mosaics matter in the english market if they want to expand. No mosaics = higher tolerance + higher chance of expansion = higher profit = longer longivity for Peapri = bigger game selection + more cheaper games for us (imported games are generally 110$ canadian while Peapri's are just 65$ canadian).

In any case, I am not forcing any reader to share my opinion, but I am trying to influence any one of them [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] Regardless of the outcome, I will purchase Dokusen with or without the mosaics.

Oh, yeah...am I the only one in this bbs who thinks that a certain staff...who works in a certain company and who tirelessly describe some seductive elements of a game that is going to be released in the far future...is truly a sadistic, manipulative, evil LILITH who feeds from the bloodied torment of her hapless victims [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

don’t be depressed, kumiko-chan! i know myself and many others will buy your games regardless of mosaics…

i understand what was being said, even though i don’t agree with it (i hope i won’t be killed here LOL)…i think you may beright in saying that america is too immature to appreciate adult games…most of us still have the mindset that games are for kids, regardless of their content (why else would i see 8-year-old kids playing Silent Hill or Resident Evil with their parents’ blessing?), so a sexual game totally boggles their minds…the american market assumes too much, and doesn’t open their minds much…

the necessary steps need to be us hardcore fans opening up awareness to those who don’t even know these bishoujo games exist…there are a lot of us out there who DO understand and WANT adult games, but just don’t know they’re there…so let’s get moving, kiddies! i’ve already opened up two of my friends to the wonderful world of bishoujo gaming (by opening up i mean they’re going to buy games, definately)

you and peapri are doing everything you can, kumiko-chan…leave some of the work for us too!

Well, we try to help you as much as we can , but it remains to see if our support’s enough or not…
By the way, Kumi-chan… sometime ago, you told us what meters there are in Dokusen. But, since English is not my first language, I’m a bit unsure of what each meter “shows”… Here’s a guess on my part, tell me if I’m wrong…

Condition : I think this is a Stamina meter.
Love / Hate: how much the character hate/love you
Appetite: How much “appetite” the character have for sex.
Erotic Sensation : Hmm… most unsure about this, but I’d guess that this shows hoe “erotic” the character can be.
Tractability: How “submissive” the character is
Synthesis: How “alike” yourself the character is.

So… tell me if I guessed wrong anywere, please?

By the may, today the poll reached 50 votes!! That’s good, but still… Peach Princess’s supposed to have around 1000 customers, so it seems like 950 of them still hasn’t voted there

Oh, while we are on the topic of ‘polls’ I wanted to put out some feelers on this: would anyone be interested in taking a survey on Bishoujo games? I’m going to be working on an Anime/Bishoujo game/Bishoujo anime website over the winter break, and thought this would be a good chance for me to poll people’s opinions on what they’d like to see, what they look for in their anime and games, and there’d probably be a bunch of relevant questions about age and gender for demographic data. Think of those little postcards that usually come with the anime you purchase, but with somewhat different questions.

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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
The question might also be what happens with the girls' paths... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] .

Well, didn't think of asking that ^^;;. But to ask exactly what impact each meter has on the characters might also be a big spoiler, ne?

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The impacts of the meters seem to be combined for various plot twists and paths, by the way.

Condition is the physical stamina / health... the fun thing is that it can go to "0" and you can continue training and ignore the fact that she's exhausted. Hmmm...

Love / Hate seems to not only be the feelings of the girl toward you. It seems to also include her general attitude towards others.

Appetite is sexual desire, yes.

Erotic Sensation is basically how sensitive she is to sexual stimuli - so, how fast does she get turned on, you might say, or how sensitive is she to being touched in erogenous zones, etc.

Tractability is how resistant (or non-resistant, actually) she is to going along with whatever you are commanding her to do - she might be quite willing, or she might be very resistive about it, depending on this meter. The dialogue doesn't change, but the non-visible impact on your interaction with her would be affected.

Synthesis is how much "in synch" with your own mind and emotions she is. If you are in an abusive mental and emotional state, she might also be in a similar state... or if you are in a caring and considerate state, she might also be in that state with you.


Ok, thank you!! Hmm... kind of strange, this to be able to train one of the girl even when she's exhausted... but then, again, I guess that there's some reason for that.
But the meters seems to be good... and every one of them affects how the story's going to end??

Hmm... I wonder if there's the same meters when you play as one of the girls, or if you get complety different meters then......
But that question can't be answered yet, unless Dave E has succeeded in opening the girl's paths....

Ah, time to sleep... Tomorrow I'm going to eat some Yakiniku =D~~. I'm really looking forward to it! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by Spectator Beholder (edited 11-25-2001).]

You know, American games also has crazy censorhip out the wazoo, and it’s even more drastic than mosaicing the genital areas. Giants: Citizen Kabuto comes to mind. One of the race, Sea Reapers, had full frontal female anatomical nudity, and the tip of their breasts were topped with nipples of course (a nipple, not many nipples, on each breast). Come GM release, they pulled all that. And this is something that came with an ESRB: Mature rating. It’s nothing that Americans have been exposed to before, this censorship thing, but no one seems to make such a huge fuss about it. When was the last time you heard someone go “I refuse to buy or play Giants: Citizen Kabuto because they removed the nipples!”

i’m a little curious, kumiko-chan…what exactly is the status of dokusen? do you have the rights to do the game in english, or are you just thinking about it, waiting to see the support first?

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Originally posted by ladyphoenix:
i'm a little curious, kumiko-chan...what exactly is the status of dokusen? do you have the rights to do the game in english, or are you just thinking about it, waiting to see the support first?

I'm wondering the same thing... and also, if you don't have the rights to Dokusen yet, then I'd like to ask how "easy" it'd be for Peach Princess to convice Ruf to give you the rights to it? I mean, you're always saying that you have a hard time when it comes to convice the japanese companies about the "uncensoring" of the CG's, but if there was no need to uncensor the CG's would there be a greater cance that they'd say yes to a release of Dokusen by Peach Princess?

well, i for one want dokusen in english…i don’t care about mosaic…i’ll buy ten copies if it will help!

Well, mosaics or no mosaics doesn’t matter that much to me…as I’ve said before, to me, uncensored or not censored doesn’t really mean anything, since it’s the story I’m most interested in . So if PeaPri decides to release mosaiced games in the future, as you’re saying that you may have to do, then I’d not object, I’d support (buy) them anyway.


That goes for me as well, I’ll still buy the games mosaiced, or not.