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#21

You’ve got it covered, Pivot. Though really, Win95 was more of a hybrid with DOS than acutally having ‘DOS support’… but the difference is something programmers would have to argue about.

I grew up on DOS, so I know what some of you folks mean. Fortunately, you can usually find a file management program that does batch renaming and other features you might miss from a command line.

Personally though, I use a Mac. While that makes it harder to play games in general (and especially b- or h- games), I’ve found the ease of use to be more than worth it.

#22

I think the difference between command and cmd is that command is a VDM whiles CMD is the native 2k command line program. Also consider that cmd is a exe, and not a com file.

From what I have read while studying for my a+ cert, all the win9x versions use a form of msdos, but not a true dos. If I remember right though, yuo could install msdos 6.22, and then choose to boot to it by going into the startup options during the initial boot.

#23

Master Pivot has it right, basically everything goes like this:

Win9x: You can access DOS by pressing F8 when the line “Starting Windows 9x…” appears on screen. This is DOS 7.0. Has all the capabilities of 6.22 (except, perhaps some commands that no longer works). However, you won’t be able to access the long file names; you must use the 8.3 format instead.

WinME: Close but no cigar. You can’t use the F8 trick mentioned above. The only way you can get pure DOS is to boot from a disk. BTW, it sucks, so avoid it like a plague.

WinNT/2000/XP: no DOS underneath. The DOS prompt, is just an “emulation” of the command prompt, nothing else. It runs on it’s own Virtual Machine. Because of the way NT handles the interface between the user and the machine, certain games (specifically DOS games) that requires direct access to the hardware won’t work.

#24
quote:
Originally posted by fxho:

WinME: BTW, it sucks, so avoid it like a plague.

*coughsevereunderstatementcough* ^^;;

#25

I used to use DOS quite often. My original computer came with Windows '95, but my friend shown me DOS at the week-end (The first time I’d ever used an IBM PC btw) and by Monday, I could do more file management in DOS than in Windows (and quicker too!).

But anyone who likes DOS for it’s speed should definitely try Linux. I bought Mandrake 8.2 Powerpack and not only is it easier to install and use than any version of Windows (I had it running with all my hardware, including multi-monitor support and my so-called “Win-modem” (Software modem) in under an hour, having never used Linux or any other variation of Unix before), it’s an extremely powerful, stable, customisable and speedy Operating System.

The command line interface is very nice too; colour coded files for different types, permissions and everything all files are consistent and configurable through any standard text editor! The commands themselves can do lots more too, and are really easy to learn, especially with the Mandrake Linux manuals. Plus, if you have a nice monitor, whack the resolution of the full-screen command line up to 1280 x 1024, and you get about 80 lines and 250 columns (That’s my guesswork btw). Of course, you don’t even have to touch the command line if you don’t want to, you can use on of the 7 different GUI’s provided. I personally like the Enlightenment GUI.

This is just my view, but I can see that, within 10 years, Linux will have overtaken Windows. I believe that is pretty much inevitable and is certainly a good thing for consumers. The evidence is already starting to show, with things like Wal-Mart selling PC’s packaged with Debian Linux (An enhanced version of Debian Linux called “Lindows OS”, capable of running just about any Windows program) and Mandrake Linux, which is the same (newbie) distribution of Linux that I have.

The future is bright, especially for a beginning programmer like myself.

[This message has been edited by TurricaN (edited 06-30-2002).]

#26

Linux has a long way to go before it gains acceptance in the mainstream. How do I use an RPM manager? How do I recompile this file? Which hardware works with this? Oh, I need to make a driver? What programs can I use? I’m not saying this to bash Linux but, for the common masses its still a ways off.

#27
quote:
Originally posted by TurricaN:
This is just my view, but I can see that, within 10 years, Linux will have overtaken Windows. I believe that is pretty much inevitable and is certainly a good thing for consumers.

I wish this were true. Despite I love Linux, there is always the problem of the creating a standard Linux (think FreeBSD), and average joe embracing it.

quote:
Originally posted by TurricaN:
The evidence is already starting to show, with things like Wal-Mart selling PC's packaged with Debian Linux (An enhanced version of Debian Linux called "Lindows OS", capable of running just about any Windows program) and Mandrake Linux, which is the same (newbie) distribution of Linux that I have.

Originally, Wal-Mart was offering Lindows, but dropped it in favor of Mandrake. However, I don't recall Lindows being a hash of Debian. Might be wrong, though, or confused with Lycoris. Mandrake, BTW, is a modified version of RedHat.

quote:
Originally posted by tabris17:
Linux has a long way to go before it gains acceptance in the mainstream. How do I use an RPM manager? How do I recompile this file? Which hardware works with this? Oh, I need to make a driver? What programs can I use? I'm not saying this to bash Linux but, for the common masses its still a ways off.

For RPMs,

Install: rpm -ivh
Upgrade: rpm -U
Delete: rpm -e
Query: rpm -qa

As always, check the man. (However, I prefer tarballs)

To compile a file: usually,

./configure ; make ; make install

And, as always, read the fine manual

All REAL hardware will work with Linux (that means no stinky winmodems, though some will work). And, yes, depending of the hardware, you might need to compile a driver.

bash? Usually it is used by default! (Sorry, can't help on this one!)

The actual problem is not the ease of use. Those of us, of the real old school learned how to do things DOS style, so, why they can't do it now? (Think of all those "new" users). Rather, they prefer to use what comes "bundled" in.

#28

man, this thread started from a simple downloads revamp announcement…to a Linux techie thread ^^ (and I guess I started it with the DOS preference thingy).

back to the topic, I have asked one of the japanese peapri staff who also works at Will Japan. He told me that since we are a third party we are not allowed to post I’ve material.

Copy and paste from the staff’s email (please bear with his english here):

It’s difficult to describe… Anyway, I’ve does not want us (third company) to post their music on the web. Even Will had some problem to use their music on the web.

Anyway, they want us not to do are
1, Posting only music. ( so if it with music I think OK)
2, Posting full music ( we can use part of music)
3 Used by third company (this is fucking problem.)

I think condition 1 means that posting something like a movie that contains the soundtrack is ok. Condition 2 simply means posting a short version is ok. Condition 3 pretty much overrides everything else :stuck_out_tongue: and like the staff said "this is fucking problem"

I did some research on the web a few days ago regarding I’ve rights. From what I read at Japanese pages other than the vocalists and the game makers which have the direct rights to the song, nobody else are allowed to post them.

So I guess no more I’ve material for download anymore…I have taken down XC2 music as well since it’s done by I’ve too. If you want to listen to the music, then please buy the game :stuck_out_tongue:

#29
quote:
Originally posted by Lamuness:
(...)
So I guess no more I've material for download anymore...I have taken down XC2 music as well since it's done by I've too. If you want to listen to the music, then please buy the game :P
Or buy the "I've CDs". Thing is:
  • Most of "I've" songs are unreleased on individual CDs; if released, they're released with the 1st Edition/Limited Edition of the game the were made for.
  • 99% of the few individual CDs are released for special events, such as Comicket, ONLY.
  • The album CDs NOT released for special events are almost impossible to get from outside Japan, as most "regular" online CDs shops won't carry them.

#30
quote:
Originally posted by Lamuness:
If you want to listen to the music, then please buy the game :P


I do, I did. Still have to get there in the games to listen to the songs. Waiting for Xchange 2. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

#31
quote:
Originally posted by joe_kun:
I also noticed that I've compilation albums are on sale at Himeya.
*goes to see* They put them in the Doujin adult section.
$38 for 2940yens!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's thief!!!!!!! It should be about $25!!!!!!!

#32
quote:
Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
[quote] Originally posted by joe_kun:
[b]I also noticed that I've compilation albums are on sale at Himeya.
*goes to see* They put them in the Doujin adult section.
$38 for 2940yens!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's thief!!!!!!! It should be about $25!!!!!!!

[/b] [/quote]

That's basic economics, Supply and Demand.

#33