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#21

Play X is a monthly magazine about B-games. They release every month a CD-Rom filled with demos, previews and photos from Japan.

Don’t know who the one is, since i can’t access to the procedure papers, sorry. For sure he was one that dislikes to mind his own business - for not say italian way, a lot more vulgar…

Oh, so X-fetish for you is not that things shaped like the St. Andrew cross used in SM? That the X i was referring to… Metal collars and leather laces, yaihhh!!!

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#22
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Aw, lolitas... disgusting... i hate loli games!!!! They reached a new low point... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]

This sure sounds like condemnation to me. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] Especially the "They reached a new low point..." part. Even though you're explicitly referring to GC, you imply that anyone associated with loli-games, including customers, are "lowly" as well.

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Even if it seems subjective to you, DS, in the end my law has effect here. So what is subjective for you is objective to me. See the point?

That may be so. But do you see other people here blanket-condemning dark games, saying how evil they are, and how they're an affront to common decency? These games generally contain rape, in all its violent gruesomeness, and rape is a much more serious crime in any country, don't you think? Have you played any games that feature rape? Oh yes, you have, since you've played Crescendo. Well guess what: the Italian Gestapo is coming to get you!!! Oh, and you're going to Hell too, by the way. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

Of course, I'm joking, but do you catch my drift?

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#23
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Play X is a monthly magazine about B-games. They release every month a CD-Rom filled with demos, previews and photos from Japan.

Huh. Could you post a link to/send me some of these pictures in question? I just want to uh...verify...their lolicon-ness. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] But seriously, there's lolicon, and then there's pedi-con. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] There's a difference, in my view.

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Oh, so X-fetish for you is not that things shaped like the St. Andrew cross used in SM? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/confused.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] That the X i was referring to... Metal collars and leather laces, yaihhh!!! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

Uh...no comment. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

#24

"Ghepeu, please. Gestapo is yours."
Giovanni Guareschi. op. cit. “Don Camillo - Mondo piccolo”.

Pedi-con, is under 16 years, loli-con is from 16 to 18. On the first case, sexual violence, on the second, corruption of a minor. Just my point of view, remember…
For sure, after what happened to them, no lolicon themes now…
And BTW I’m in a good company, on the way to hell, LOL!!!

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#25
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Pedi-con, is under 16 years, loli-con is from 16 to 18. On the first case, sexual violence, on the second, corruption of a minor. Just my point of view, remember...

How exactly does me looking at lolicon images corrupt minors, again? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] Ditto for the pedi-con assertion. By the way, I think your definition of pedi-con is rather...inclusive. But that's completely subjective...so we won't get anywhere arguing that. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

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#26

Oh sorry i forgot. That’s what people committing that crime in real life are called to respond of - to the justice.
The first part indicates the age of the victim, the second the crime they are sued for.

A slightly slim difference, don’t you think? Italian laws are full of escape hatches…

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#27

I don’t know…looking at animated images and molesting minors seems to be more than a “slightly slim” difference…

BTW, you still haven’t responded to my earlier argument. Why would you be worried about getting arrested for possessing a loli-game, when you already possess a game that features rape (namely Crescendo)?

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#28
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I don't know...looking at animated images and molesting minors seems to be more than a "slightly slim" difference...

BTW, you still haven't responded to my earlier argument. Why would you be worried about getting arrested for possessing a loli-game, when you already possess a game that features rape (namely Crescendo)?

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'cause it's not a crime here to have such a game, AFAIK. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]


#29
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Originally posted by Lamuness:
i really dont understand how what was initially a thanksgiving post has (again?) changed to a heated-fight (starting to turn to flames) over various sensitive subjects....

guys, come on......

#30

We are speaking quietly and discussing our divergences in a civil manner, Benoit. So what’s that statement for?

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#31
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Originally posted by Italicus:
We are speaking quietly and discussing our divergences in a civil manner, Benoit. So what's that statement for?

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Ditto.

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'cause it's not a crime here to have such a game, AFAIK.

That...just doesn't make sense. To be truthful, I'm not sure if you're overestimating the danger, or if Italian law really is that screwed up. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] Who here would agree that rape is a lesser offense than sex with a minor?

(And yes, I don't believe that cg depiction of either should be a criminal offense...or even a moral offense. I'm just trying to point out the inconsistency of this legal logic.)


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#32
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I'm just trying to point out the inconsistency of this legal logic.

You got the problem. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img] We have to deal with over 300000 law, decrets, law-decrets and circulars ( WTF, we have some royal laws that are still on, including one that instituites a vitalice for Adua's fallen soldiers' familiars... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) that interferes each other, leading often to a pure nonsense. In example, regarding backup copies of legit software. Copyprotected software can't be copied but you have to place the word "Copyprotected" on the label, otherwise you can't sue illegal reproduction... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] A jungle is less complicated to deal with then italian laws' world. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] As a matter of fact, often are Courthouses that solve problems. And the way "Play X" case was solved ( ie with the destruction of the material ) doesn't make me feel sure even in my home.

As a matter of fact, the first thing i think i'll have to study about japanese are going to be numbers, so i can cover my back by previously checking characters ages - if stated. But Noirbo told in this thread they usually don't do so...

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#33

IIRC, US law briefly had a passage saying that anything that even vaguely resembled an underage girl was illegal even if there was no real person involved or the real person involved was not, in fact, underage.

It got overturned later, again iirc, but there’s no telling with laws. Lolicon certainly could be illegal somewhere. It doesn’t have to make SENSE.

#34
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Copyprotected software can't be copied [b]but you have to place the word "Copyprotected" on the label, otherwise you can't sue illegal reproduction... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img][/b]

That's something else entirely. There's a difference between legal procedure and legal contradiction. You really are scared of being prosecuted for the possession of lolicon materials, aren't you? Whether the fear is justified or not...it's kind of sad, if you don't mind me saying so. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Here's something I just thought of...you mention that a company was sued for distributing a lolicon demo. But has a consumer ever been sued/prosecuted? If not, then I think you and the rest of Italy are safe. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

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#35
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
That's something else entirely. There's a difference between legal procedure and legal contradiction. You really are scared of being prosecuted for the possession of lolicon materials, aren't you? Whether the fear is justified or not...it's kind of sad, if you don't mind me saying so. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Here's something I just thought of...you mention that a company was sued for distributing a lolicon demo. But has a consumer ever been sued/prosecuted? If not, then I think you and the rest of Italy are safe. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

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No, at the moment no consumer was processed because all of the material was destroyed.

Sure, if a company was sued and processed, then also a consumer might be. Ah well, in the doubt guess i'll have to study japanese numeration and keep a look on body's development and voice samples, and if they look or sound to childish, to not purchase the game. Don't you think so?

Idea! Let's call for help... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
Does someone have links related to this issue in Japan? Peter-sama? Lamuness-sama? If i manage to know how japanese laws works on the matter, maybe i can be more wise on games' choice... Or am i wrong?

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#36
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Originally posted by Italicus:
No, at the moment no consumer was processed because all of the material was destroyed.

I think you're overreacting, then. I think the worst that could happen is that customs would seize your shipment. If they haven't prosecuted individuals before, then I think it's paranoid to assume that they're going to start with you. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

In fact, I rather doubt they actively prosecute this in the first place. Here's a link to an image from an Italian hentai site (*warning* not safe for work): http://www.animeye.it/henteye/view.asp?image=%22/henteye/Immagini/So ft%20Pics/Gara/__hr_eva0204_jpg.jpg%22

That's a picture of Asuka from Neon Genesis Evangelion. She might not look it at first glance, but she's in 8th grade, meaning she's 14. That falls squarely in the Italian "pedophile" range, no? Yet, *gasp* the site exists! I assume the .it in the name means the site is based in Italy, and it's in Italian, so if they were truly trying to rid Italy of lolicon, then they wouldn't let a large site like HentEye carry such images. By the way, I'm sure they have more explicit lolicon images, but as a guest I don't have access to the "hardcore" part of the site. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

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#37


My forum in Italy is here.

Thanks for the info, but i can’t access to the section too, due to Java problems.

Ah well, anyway i’ll be careful from now on.

#38
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I think you're overreacting, then. I think the worst that could happen is that customs would seize your shipment. If they haven't prosecuted individuals before, then I think it's paranoid to assume that they're going to start with you. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

i will have to counter you on this one. i live in canada and at times i am a bit paranoid when it comes to customs. for those who have been on the BBS since peapri started, remember the australia guy? (i think it's kaiser fire) he got police searching for his house and took away his stuff because one of the anime dvds he tried to import was seized by customs coz they claimed it has illegal matters.....and he is never heard of since....anyways you can do a search on the bbs for more details. but my point is, it has happened.

the reason i am relating canada with australia is because they are both part of the british commonwealth and canadian customs has been a dick when it comes to adult material

however, that being said, i think italians are more open to these stuff, i would expect...

#39
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(i think it's kaiser fire)

You = correct!

Here's the link to the thread:
http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000771.html

#40

Wow…that’s terrible. As I hear more and more about the tyrannical regulations of other countries, I’m really starting to become thankful that I live in the U. S. Even with Bush in office, we don’t have to worry about having our houses ransacked for ordering H-games/H-anime…

But still…it seems there’s a history of this stuff in Australia. In other words, Kaiser Fire wasn’t the first. If no Italian individuals have been prosecuted for possessing lolicon animated pics, then I still don’t think Italicus has anything to worry about.

Thank god all I have to worry about are the social pressures though…

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