Normally in English games when the “loli-ish” character announces her age its always “She just hit 18”, Is that an English translation? Or in Japan do they actually state a real loli age?
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In Japan they state her real age.
Porn laws work different in the Land of the Rising Sun, so they can get away with fictional characters having sex - so long as it doesn’t involve real people - no matter how young he or she is.
Hell… in one of the Harvest Moon games - a G-rated title if I ever saw one - there is a character who was 15 years old, and could be married (age of consent is 16 IIRC). In the US version, they bumped her age to 18, despite the fact she looks nothing like an 18 year old.
We Westerns place more of a big deal on that kind of stuff than the Japanese, who put more more of a big deal in showing penetration - hence the mossaics.
Culture clashes… heh…
[This message has been edited by Nargrakhan (edited 04-17-2006).]
That and fuzz thus the clean shaven look no matter what the age.
Not to start an argument or anything, and I certainly don’t disagree with anything, but I just wanted to point out a few things.
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Originally posted by Kagami:
Many stores will not carry ones that are not. Since late 1999, Sofurin/EOCS has not permitted characters under the age of 18 in sexual situations.
The typical gaming stores (like those in the malls) won’t carry them, but the adult specialty shops do. Hell, there’s a few in Akihabara I can name off the top of my head. This isn’t too different from the US: Walmart doesn’t carry hardcore porn, but there’s always the local, easy to reach adult store. Nonetheless, I don’t think EOCS or CSA are all their cracked up to because…
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Originally posted by Kagami:
(Sofurin is also responsible for some other oddities you may have noticed, like huge mosaics way bigger than you see in adult comic books and the lack of any real incest, bestiality, or necrophilia games in the past 10 years.)
…I have a dozen visual novels that focus on this totally - and at least five or six seem to pop up every month: and I’m not talking doujin. Granted, they’re not from “major labels” such as GIGA or CIRCUS or anything, but companies such as Tacchi and Black Cyc fill in that gap. There’s also the rumor that…
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Originally posted by Kagami:
Unrated doujin and indy games are of course limited only by the law and some do state ages under 18, though a lot of creators are inclined to avoid trouble over it.
…the “major” companies release really hardcore titles under a pesudo name. Might explain how some of them are high quality. Or not. Opinions may vary on the subject.
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I was under the impression that, in H-games at least, the ages of obviously loli characters were just left unstated in the original Japanese, and that translating companies like Peach Princess just add the 18+ line on there to be “safe.” No characters are technically under 18, since it’s left unstated, so Sofurin still approves them.
As for U.S. obscenity laws, I did a short paper on it last year, and I highly doubt that a conviction based solely on possesion of virtual child pornography NOT based on a real person (anime-style or otherwise) would pass constitutional muster when it got to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court already ruled previously on the old version of this law that possession of virutal child pornography (not based on a real child) is not criminal. The reasoning for banning real child pornography is that real children are harmed in the process of making it, and virtual child pornography does not do this (in my paper I go on to discuss all the other possible reasons to ban virtual lolicon I could imagine, and refuted each). The new version of the law tries to skirt around the language of the Supreme Court’s rebuttal, but still goes against the core argument (much like little Johhny who says after pushing someone down, “I didn’t hit him!” to his irate mother, who told him he shouldn’t hit people). The law can say whatever it wants; if it’s obviously going to be struck down as soon as it’s challenged though, it doesn’t mean much.
As for the FBI case, as Kagami said, and even the FBI admits on that page, the guy wasn’t convicted for possession of lolicon materials alone. In this particular case, he was already a convicted sex offender, and he was violating his parole simply by having any obscene materials on his computer. The rules and regulations imposed upon convicted sex offenders and your normal average Joe aren’t quite the same. Also of note is what he was doing with the images: not just viewing them, but sending them to little girls via e-mail and such to seduce them. Hardly a “landmark” case.
[This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 04-17-2006).]
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I was under the impression that, in H-games at least, the ages of obviously loli characters were just left unstated in the original Japanese, and that translating companies like Peach Princess just add the 18+ line on there to be "safe." No characters are technically under 18, since it's left unstated, so Sofurin still approves them.
Hurray for legal loop holes! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Chihaya: "Don't look, don't look!"
Chihiro: "But... it's so big!"
- Futari de Hitotsu no Koigokoro