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Originally posted by TurricaN:
And if he's charging $20 for a CD now, then who in their right mind is going to pay that much for something that's pirated?
Well, you've got a point there [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. Kind of ironic that he's offering the games at a higher price than JAST USA does (in most cases, anyway).
Speaking of JAST USA games, don’t they sell Season of the Sakura anymore? I checked their site for it but I can’t find it and I really wanted that game.
Yeah, I wanted to get that too but unfortunate for us, fortunate for JAST USA that they sold out of their inventory of Seasons of the Sakura when they made the price drop. I tried to find it at several different other online retailers and they are all out of that one as well.
J-List’s November 16th update said the following of “Season of the Sakura”:
After years of faithful service, the game Season of the Sakura has sold out
– bummer. We still have stock of Three Sisters’ Story and May Club, the
two games we’re offering on sale for $24.95, but our stock levels won’t
hold out for too long, so please pick these games up if you’re interested
in trying them.
May Club and Three Sister’s Story is actually now available at a very affordable price point of $14.95 now since that newsletter. Oh, I found Anime Castle and Right Stuf to still have some Season of the Sakura for sale at $24.95.
[This message has been edited by bokmeow (edited 12-09-2001).]
(sorry all of these are just not organised…cause I want to play game)
basically I will pass those…posts…I didn’t read them all…
the main problem here is that…people are less interested in hentai games then games like diablo 2…bizzard went to using servers right…their way of reducing pirates…
still one thing…I spend my money on computer I help the computer industry right? so if I don’t spend on computer the people researching computers don’t have the money to go on with research well I’m doing it…I’m support them…buy cds…router everything…well and live without them…how many do? And like I said money differences…if you live in us…it is obviously cheaper isn’t it…so there is no point about this and…those banners on the wall…ya…it is because people spend money to buy other things…then what…like music sales fall…they complained about mp3s…so if there is a loss…there will always be a gain…so are you meaning the money is unlimited?..no matter what, if you buy something,
something else sales just falls…it is a thread, if it is free…it affects by…you know people don’t really want to buy it…still you see music cds selling don’t you…people support them…so it’s really the people…like all fo you
if some other industry falls…they start posing banners like that? and another thing the game is not going to affect the industry in terms of being bought…why? it’s free…they have the money to do something else…and as for the prices…well 14.90 I can afford but not the 39 and 49 over dollars ones…
and about pirates…I don’t see a pirate game seller that goes and pirate a game selling for 3 dollars which is about 2 us…some game like TGL are about 3 dollars above pirates which is about 10 dollar a cd makes it about only 7 dollars us…pirates do sell them but I would rather go for the orginal
you get what I mean…
I mean that some games are really expensive…and people don’t buy them…and sometimes…people don’t buy them not because of pirates…it’s because they are expensive…what they are targeting are those with more money…well I ask if you sell a game at 3 dollars us…you see how many people will buy it…it depends on the game company to who they are targeting against…if you want to fight against pirates…do them cheap…make them worthwhile make a server…make them free and use ads…usually people can buy 10 or more than to buy an orginal…
but I’m not saying it is wrong but most of us send our friends some cds…because we like the game…we want them to expreince…if you ask me…
people spend money on researching for modifying ps(playstation) to make them copy games compatible
what are all these for? because they see a future in doing this business…so how…it’s because there are loopholes…they are aiming at it…it’s not easy to change someone to think the way you think…
the pirates spend their money buying the orginal and copying…and they also have to eat and also spend their money someplace else…if games where to go much cheaper pirates, they don’t see much in doing this…because it would mean little income and also a doubt that people would want to buy them…because it’s a just a little above the margin…
and also another thing is that orginals are usually nicer…let’s see…people can buy more games and also there are more sales…the only thing is that each make lesser…and another and pirates are also the competition for prices…an indication if people buy pirates is that games are expensive
, even though it is expensive…some of my friends still buy orginal games…still how many can you buy? one or two that’s all and usually the ones that buy rpgs save the most…I’m sure you know why…
another thing…“here we go again” can’t all of you spice up a little…this is a challenge…actually this is just a thread that keeps you coming back…that’s why I like it…if you feel too bored…just like what I like the game to be…full of life…well…I do not claim I’m the leader…I don’t really know if there is a leader but aflex is the group owner…*just feel this game need to keep going on…I’m sure if that if everyone where to do a little it would work out…
wow
That was so obscure that I have no idea what you just said.
Sounds vaguely like you are arguing in favor of piracy or something though.
What the heck was that thing tryo_kane just said? Next to tryo_kane’s post, a toddler’s first words sound like a Shakespeare prose. Pirates spend money buying the product and copying? News to me. I’ve known quite a few pirates and they don’t buy a single thing except the computer that their parents buy for them. “RPGs are what they buy and you can know why”? Blizzard’s stuff was pirated so much that they created the obscenely large install as well as requiring the gamer to play with the CD-ROM inserted into the tray. tyro_kane once again demonstrates his ignorance of the gaming industry.
Not to mention his argument of ‘people don’t buy some games because they are expensive.’ still falls extremely flat. Do games cost $499 like video editing software do? I believe all the games have a maximum cap of $50, and Peach Princess Games are mostly $35 to $40, still less than the average PC game release price point of $50.00. Please put some sense into him TurricaN, since you know him.
[This message has been edited by bokmeow (edited 12-09-2001).]
well I did say i didn’t organise them eheh…and did most of you read the rest…? Well…if you didn’t understand forget it…I’m still playing my game but i have spent tons of time doing other things…and well the main purpose of the game is really to make the net more alive that’s all…but if you want to continue I will just shorten the point here…
1)so one question did bizzard earn money? Did their server got so clocked up in the first place…well it did and that shows that it has went well no doubt people did pirate it…but you know how many people actually bought it to have their cd key so they can play online…
2)If you don’t understand what I have said you don’t…
3)I’m double sider, I did not say that buying orginal is not good…I just said it was expensive…
4)I don’t mind being a toddler at least I will have lesser troubles to worry about
For every Blizzard, there are hundreds of companies that don’t have the monetary resource and server bandwidth to take the kind of venture enterprise Blizzard has undertaken. Their capital was built from console games, not many people probably remember this. Those kinds of games can still be pirated and plenty of people certainly played them emulated on personal PC computers, but it was a long and arduous trip for Blizzard and they are very lucky to have gotten this far. Don’t forget Blizzard had its server crashed a few times due to the demand and hackers, do you think the money that pays for their Blizzard server bandwidth grows on trees? People actually want to play on Blizzard.net so they shell out the money that pays for that fat pipeline you play on.
Several excellent companies made quality games, were successful but folded due to various reasons, piracy being one of them. God Bless Looking Glass Studios; before Deus Ex, there was System Shock from Looking Glass. Don’t forget also there was the fabulous Thief games.
Recognize the value of a hard earned dollar my friend, perhaps playing the games with your hard earned dollar from doing part-time work will do you some good. Maybe do an internship at a computer game development company.
sigh didn’t you hear what I said in my post? there’s a number of reasons to why the games are expensive. and your “too expensive”-way of thinking is exactly one of the reasons of why people pirate. Just because that a game’s expensive, that doesn’t give you right to pirate it (that would almost be like saying that you’ve got the right to take whatever you want in the world, even if it’s someone else’s). Can’t see why you’re using Diablo 2 to make your examples, by the way…
Diablo 2 were popular for a while, yes, but the game weren’t all THAT amazing. There was just a lot of monster killing, a single-path story, just the same old sidequests, and so on… No, if you ask me, diablo 2 weren’t much of a game, ay least not if you compare it to games like Baldurs Gate 2. now, THAT’S a game I think’s really worth buying (Funny characters, lots of side-quests, lots of different classes,with different sub-quest and a excellent story)… I didn’t buy Diablo 2, I got both it and the expansion of my parents at my birthday, but I brought Baldurs Gate 2 myself, since I felt that that was a game it’d be worth to use my own money for. Why don’t you do that yourself, by the way, if you think that the bishoujo games right now are expensive even if the really aren’t THAT expensive right now, then why not tell your parents or your friends that you want those games at your birthday or at Christmas? That’s also a way of saving your own money, and it’s much better than pirating the games.
And also, this about “the pirates spend their money buying the original and copying…and they also have to eat and also spend their money someplace else”… Are you stupid or something? do you think that it’s right to sell stolen goods? If I break into your house, steals everything you own and then sell your things at the black market, would you say that it was “right” by me to do so, since it would be “your” money that put the food on MY table after that? What the pirates who are selling the wares they are pirating are doing is the same… They steal someone else’s money.
And then about that “if the games were cheaper, then ther’s be less pirates”, Yeah, you may be right about that. But what did you except? they are already offering the games as cheap as they can, but that’s a fact you seem to ignore. if you want the games to be cheaper, you should buy the games as they’re now and help the bishoujo game industry to grow. If you did that, then the games would be cheaper after a while, since there’d be more customers by then. but you’re slowing the process instead of supporting it, so it may take a while before the games are cheaper… and that’s you pirates fault.
The problem isn’t by the way, that people “don’t like” bishoujo games, the problem is that they knows zero or at least very little about the genre. It’s difficult to spread the word about what the genre really’s about since most people who are speaking against it are ignorant about the whole thing (as well as those who listens to those people). It’s the same with anime; there’s lots of ignorant people out there who speaks against the whole thing without any real knowledge about the genre (If you seek among the topics, you’ll find a link to one of those “ignorant people”).
[This message has been edited by Spectator Beholder (edited 12-09-2001).]
it is not really that…well most people know about the genre…I go to VCD shops and ask the person that is selling he knows that the the producer gets the money for the cds…but well…not all the people can tell their parents…hey I want to buy a hentai game…and it work either ways…like someone had said…some games sell like hotcakes and their prices don’t drop…and besides…bokmeow said money doesn’t grow from trees applies same to us.
If I would buy games as I would say…I would combine money and form a group and share…everyone buys a game sometime and everyone gets what they want…
As for the pirates I’m not saying that selling cds like that is right but there is a prospect in doing this so they are doing it or what else do you think they are doing it for.(hey I’m repeating this) I’m just saying that they will spend money, like you and me and the economy will go on like a cycle…and as you know a lot of trades affect one another…
if a lot of things go as expected it there wouldn’t be so much of a trouble…
and pirates are quite different from fans…(even though sometimes they do have somethings in common) *but this is not the main question here
some fans do artwork because they like it…some send it to others because they like it…(but this may not neccessery be right)… this is the end of this…I’m getting back to the main topic
and about limited edition of the games it just means that they have limited stock of it then…then they are selling tons in the japanese market? Strange…
(orginality of hentai games)
still hentai games are usually text based + CGs it been a long time…and but the quality of CGs have increased…
yeap slayer…well still people do it without their permission…
and I’m saying the games are expensive to us, it is a fact that people money are limited and the meaning is that
1)Even if the cost of them them is expensive…people who don’t have money to buy couldn’t buy and some just don’t want because it is above their expectation and they got something better to buy…
2)They could lower their prices like you said seasons of sakura(even though it was released years back) sold out because they lowered their price so…there are people who support them even though they could be gotten from someone, somewhere, etc…(not really true sometimes you are just unlucky)
3)if they could lower their prices…it means they earn lesser profit but if they sell more they still earn more profit…
4)if others can sell less…they could, if it is better than it will sell more than those…I have seen a game cd that go as little as 3 but I’m not requesting that they do so…I’m just saying maybe about 30us…
but I know that a little too far…
5)if I go for selling to vast distrubtion 10us get me far…(but there are a lot of handing, etc here(just think how many hentai fans are out there and how many people will pay for the game if it is not that expensive
6)If someone where to rob me? I don’t know what happens if you like to say I’m a ignorant fool…I don’t really care…got cheated tons of time but so what…if the person learn it will be good if he doesn’t he will be digging his own grave…(but I don’t like this to happen) most probably if it is for a good cause ok…but if not I think you can get me a better suggestion then(donate it to charity)
Dude, if you have to ask your parents for money to buy Hentai Games you shouldn’t be buying it in the first place. You are under 18 and should wait till you are of mature age. Part of growing up is demonstrating the maturity necessary to handle responsibility.