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Originally posted by tryo_kane:
well....who really beileved that all those that downloaded would go and buy anyway....and some games are pretty expensive...it differs by country..for example...48us is about twice in some countries.....and still....I know that people will support what they like....like me I go and buy comics.....buy cds, if you don't spend your money there you spend it somewhere else........like how many of you download mp3s.....why not go buy them....I would tell you it is impossible.......to buy everything you like....so what.....do without them.....? Well the people DID take time and effort to find the site at least.....and why did someone take the time to upload stuff so that they could download it.....pirate....I can tell you...there are so many pirate cd shops selling jast's hentai games.....so call jast to catch them? I could tell you if I see TGL pirate and orginal somewhere I would go and buy their orginal games? you know why some games never appear to be on pirate game stalls? because the pirate don't earn money out of it
why? they are cheap that's why.........I know some of you have money.....some have more some have less.......some can afford to buy dvds.....some know where to buy cheap some buy off amazon which shouldn't be that cheap...
I don't really like jast usa.....I have changed my views slowly too.......they aren't that bad.....but I'm sure that it shouldn't be that expensive.....
I know they make games in english so we get to play them...and so....
For me I would share money and go and buy them.....that's rather fair then we have the game and we can use the money we have extra and go for the next......
if you ask about stuff like that you meant to shut all the anime fansubbing teams.....etc down because it will defintely affect the market. [This message has been edited by tryo_kane (edited 12-09-2001).]
Hmm? You're the same tryo_kane that TurricaN spoke about? Well, then let me tell you some things about what you're saying.
- About the "too expensive part"-
Maybe you don't know about it, but both JAST USA and Peach Princess are actually selling the games more cheaper than in Japan... For example in Japan, most bishoujo games (or hentai games, as you like to call them) costs about 90- 80 dollars (if you don't believe me, then go to www.himeya.com and check out their prices for original Japanese games. you may be surprised). So, if you look in that way, both Peach Princess and JAST USA are actually quite generous... and if you still think the price's too high, then consider one thing: your working on the game you and TurricaN are more of a hobby for you than anything else, since you probably are going to school or have a work which you gets your daily salary from, this is a serious business for them. They are actually working on this; this is not a hobby for them, this is their work, this is where thy have to get their daily salary from. but right now, they are more or less working for free, since their daily salary are, in a way, stolen by those who pirate their games.
And it's not just about those who work at Peach Princess, they do have to pay the Japanese companies too, since it's their games, not Peach Princess nor JAST USA's games. They have to pay a part of it to the Japanese companies, too, for the rights to their games... its' the same everywhere in the world; if you want to release someone else's work, you have to buy the rights first to do so). But the Japanese companies aren't really interested in the english market, not if there's no support for their games here. Right now, the Japanese companies are on their way to lose the small interest they have in the english market, and that's partly because of those who pirate their games. You see, in Japan, their games are brought by ten thousands or hundred thousands of people, while most of their games here in west are only brought by less than 2000 customers (and that's where the pirates are destroying the market... a company can't survive if there's enough support for it, and the pirates are destroying that support by pirating the games). Let me try to do a metaphor here... You're living in a small village and are selling apples. In the village, your apples are very popular, and you are able to make your living since your apples are very popular. One day, you hear about another village not very far from the village where you are living. You hear that they have no apples in that village and decides to try and sell your apples in that village. so, the next day, you travel to that village with your apples. but when you arrives there, the villagers doesn't buy your apples. No, instead they are stealing your apples, or are refusing to pay very much for them, since they are too expensive from their point of view. When the day's over, you've lost a whole weeks of income... sure, you do have more apples back in your homevillage, but could you manage yourself without that weeks income? maybe, but you'd have to work harder to compensate for the loss of that week's income. After that, what would you do? Would you just sell your apples in your homevillage, where you have more trustworthy customers, or would you go back to the other village and take the risk of having your apples stolen again and lose one more weeks income? I think we both already know the answer... this may be a bad metaphor, but it's showing the whole thing in the same light; If the Japanese companies don't see any support or profit in the english market, they'll simply stop to provide companies like JAST USA and Peach Princess with their games. the situation's very serious as it is right now, since it's just two companies who've been showing some interest in the english market right now: Will and Crowd. but that's all. All the other companies refuses to allow companies like JAST USA or Peach Princess to release their games.
So the bottom line is: do you want more bishoujo games, or don't you want them? If you want them, you should help the market to grow by buying the games legally, and if you don't want them, then leave them be. and DON'T pirate the games in any way, because that by pirating the games, you're not helping those who really want those games, since you're eliminating the possibility of seeing more games at the english market...
and that's by the way, why I'm pissed at the pirates, since I do want to see more games at the english market... For example, I'd like to see the Men At Work games by studio e-go at the english market someday, but since the market aren't as successful at it could be if it weren't for the pirates, Studio E-go refuses to let their games be released at the english market.
-About fansubbers-
You can't really compare the fansubbers and the pirates, in my opinion of view... most fansubbers out there are just "giving away" unlicensed titles (and when those are licensed by some of the english companies, they take them down from their websites or homepages. They also mostly don't take any money for their work, besides the shipping cost. Here in my country, the animeclub I'm a member of fansubs anime on our original language, yes, but they don't sell them in any way. They use them at our small cons and meetings for all to see, but they aren't making any profit of it, since they are just showing them, not selling them (and besides, they always ask the Japanese companies before they fansubs anything).
And, one more thing... About the "freeware hentai game" you're working at, I wish you good luck with it, but... don't make the game for wrong purpose, that's all I'm saying. and please consider that in the "real world" things aren't as easy as they appears to be.
