I’d like to ask a question: How well does the non-adult bishoujo game sell in Japan compared to the adult ones? From what I just heard by a “fan” of the non-adult bishoujo games, the sales for the non-adult bishoujo games (Kanon, Air, To Heart and all the others) are far far higher than than the sales for their adult counterparts (But that is quite understandable, since the non-adult versions are for all ages, which menas that those who haven’t yet turned 18 can play the games too).
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Well, it's not a matter of adult versus non-adult, at least for the examples you give. The key thing for those examples would be PC versus console. Console games of any type outsell PC games 2 to 1. However, consoles are for kids and family while PCs are for adults - that's just how the gaming market has evolved, worldwide. If you look at PC software sales, the vast majority is by adults - that's because most PCs are owned by adults, so naturally it is adults who are buying PC software.In general, adults do not have as much time for games as kids do, so that's another factor.
This isn't to say that adult versus non-adult has no bearing at all. However, it's very minor. That is, if you took an adult PC game and made it a non-adult PC game, you still would not see an enormous increase in sales (in Japan, that is.) In fact, just the opposite - the adults playing the game on a PC expect an adult game, not a non-adult game. If you are making a non-adult game, it makes much more sense to put it on a console... assuming you have the financial resources to pay the outrageous fees that console makers charge for development kits, of course. The console gamers don't buy their hardware expecting to see adult material on it - PC users do, though.
[This message has been edited by Kumiko Kamiyama (edited 03-19-2002).]
Well, I do enjoy playing games on a console because I just plug them in and play BUT they also have a lack of REAL (I'm not talking about shooting a whole bunch of people either) "adult" games. The big reason I don't buy a lot of PC games is sometimes the requirement will be through the roof and sometimes I can't get rid of a game without it affecting another program.
I'm considering buying another bishojo game (I only own Knights of Xentar and Metal and Lace) so ease of play and longevity (it doesn't have to be long, I can play good short games over and over) are a plus and not just adult content.
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
If you are making a non-adult game, it makes much more sense to put it on a console... assuming you have the financial resources to pay the outrageous fees that console makers charge for development kits, of course. [This message has been edited by Kumiko Kamiyama (edited 03-19-2002).]
Which might explain why the DC (and not PS2) is flooded with bishoujo games these days, I guess. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Ok, thanks for your answer
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
As for games interfering somehow... that's not something Kumiko has ever seen, herself. It might be possible in certain instances - but that would be true for any software, not just games.
Sometimes with programs with sloppy coding, when you try to remove the game, it will remove all files associated with the game including shared files used by other programs. Doesn't happen to often nowadays but I've seen it happen before.
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..some people don't want DVD, either. Everyone has different needs, right? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
The more 'DVD-only' anime I keep seeing, the more I want a DVD player! Guess I'll have to be good this year and see if santa brings me one... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by woodelf:
( Rather upset that many Studio Ghibli movies can't make it out here even though they have been translated to English )
Huh? You can always buy the region 2 DVD release (IIRC, Whispers of the Heart was soon to be/already released). Oh, you mean a region 1 DVD? In that's case we can only hope for the big mouse...
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Originally posted by woodelf:
Try the 'easter bunny' it is a lot sooner and you might get lucky. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Ahhh, but how would you fit the DVD player inside an egg? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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Also get a region free dvd player if you can. This way you can play the 'real' anime
rather than what marketing wants to bring in to the US. (asumming you live in north america )( Rather upset that many Studio Ghibli movies can't make it out here even though they have been translated to English )
A region free DVD player is definitely the plan. Wouldn't want to miss out on a great anime just because I'm in a different region right? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
??? But you do the same thing on a PC, normally - you just pop in the CD and run the install, like any software. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]Bishoujo games don't have demanding hardware requirements as a general rule, so you should be fine on that score. As for games interfering somehow... that's not something Kumiko has ever seen, herself. It might be possible in certain instances - but that would be true for any software, not just games.
PCs are open ended systems, but that's a double-edged sword, as usual. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] You get flexibility, but you also have the potential for conflicts. Consoles are far too expensive for development as a general rule, and are not flexible at all - you know that you'll be buying a new console in a few years, whereas you can simply continue to upgrade a PC, in most cases, plus retain flexibility. Of course, the true power comes from people who work with PCs at work and at home, but people who don't do that might not need (or want) such flexibility. Some people still don't want a system of any kind at home... some people don't want DVD, either. Everyone has different needs, right? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
After trying the demos to Brave Soul, I like the fact that it doesn't tax the hardware or wasn't buggy (like the experience I had with a demo for one of the Viper games, which locked up my computer when I used it).
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
It isn't a matter of marketing in many cases. There are many anime, manga, and game publishers who refuse to license their works to the English world. Many people still don't understand this, but it is not the fault of domestic companies, in most cases. The fault lies with the Japanese and their society / philosophy. There's not much anyone can do about it but be patient and look to the future rather than the present - work for market expansion that will force Japanese society to change as a whole and become more a part of the world. That has already been happening, but it's a slow process - so, you have to be patient. They do have a rather long history, after all... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img][This message has been edited by Kumiko Kamiyama (edited 03-21-2002).]
Also some gentle begging...er, prodding from western fans. :-)
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Originally posted by Mecha00:
Also some gentle begging...er, prodding from western fans. :-)
Now, now, we don't beg. We whine with emphasis! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by ekylo:
Ahhh, but how would you fit the DVD player inside an egg? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
Find/make a gigantic egg? ^_^
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Originally posted by woodelf:
Smaller DVD's !? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Here is the BIGGEST egg. http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/VT/vegreville.html
Wow~
Wonder how many dvd players you can cram in there. ^_-
[This message has been edited by Zorian (edited 03-23-2002).]