OT: Ranting from a Bishoujo CG artist, AX2002

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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
So it's Orochi who does the bulk of the correctiong of the translation of the script you get from Japan?


No, it's Orochi who is doing the script *from scratch*; nothing comes from Japan. He will write both the english and japanese script, and I do the english editing and the rest of the dirty job in the game (CG, background, music, progarmming, packaging, publicity etc...and possibly CG movie cut-scenes). Music will prove to be difficult, but the rest is feasible for me, as long as there is no deadline...it's just that I suck at storyline and I believe there's nobody I know who understands the genre as well as Orochi, so I leave the script to him, and I have enough faith in him that he can come up with something good given his expertise. The problem is: he is being sent to shoot people...err, I mean military service (he lives in singapore) so I would expect progress to be dead slow while he is away shooting people.

[This message has been edited by Lamuness (edited 07-09-2002).]

I think, here is something mixed up.

So, in order to get this straight:

I think, Lamuness is talking about the games he himself develops together with Orochi (you may read about them on Lamuness’s webpage), not some english conversations, PeaPri is right now working on.

How long will Orochi be bound to military duty, until works on the scripts can continue?

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Originally posted by Unicorn:
I think, here is something mixed up.

So, in order to get this straight:

I think, Lamuness is talking about the games he himself develops together with Orochi (you may read about them on Lamuness's webpage), not some english conversations, PeaPri is right now working on.

How long will Orochi be bound to military duty, until works on the scripts can continue?


Yup Unicon is right. These are all "on-our-own" stuff. As for Orochi's military service thingy, he will be gone in August and I don't think he is accessible for quite a while, at least a year. Hopefully he can drop off as much stuff to me as possible before he leaves (however this is not the case since he is currently addicted to his newly bought PS2...enjoying his last supper before he goes off to military camp I guess), and hopefully he would still work on the script while he is in military camp. Even if he doesn't have much ready, I still have alot to do on my part while he is gone since I am doing the rest of the dirty work...so my plate is full so to speak.

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Originally posted by woodelf:
Well I can help with low level programing C,
if I can find free DOC's on the web for a portiable API for linux and windows if you like. Like many programers [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img] it is my writing and documentain skills that I have problems with.I would like to see a copy of the script( All I can display is english ) for a undrstanding of the way scripts work. I belive that the editing and script language develoment and game debuging can be done before the major script is written.
PS I got Mozila to replace Netscape and it works well but it does not come with a spelling checker for email that I can find yet... very strange.


To save time I will use free japanese doujin-soft SDKs. While I have to read up to all the commands and documentation, the big advantage is that I will not have to worry about multimedia problems (music, graphics, effects, alpha channels etc).

....this is getting a bit off topic from peapri stuff. Can you guys discuss my stuff on my BBS instead, please? :P

Oh, now I see… Thanks for enlightening me . So you’re making an adult bishoujo gmae yourself and will sell it in both the US, Japan and the rest of the world!? Cool!

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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Oh, now I see... Thanks for enlightening me [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]. So you're making an adult bishoujo gmae yourself and will sell it in both the US, Japan and the rest of the world!? Cool! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

make that *non-adult*...

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Originally posted by Nobody:
[b]Lamuness, I was just wondering. How did you work sell at ComicCon? Based on Peter's last update, it sounds like J-List did quite a bit of business. I hope they sold everything you sent with them.[/b]

Haven't asked but prolly not, but I couldn't care less. Actually, I hope he didn't sell any of them. I wanted him to take the leftovers to Japan and...

I need to have my stuff more exposed to the Japanese audience

[This message has been edited by Lamuness (edited 08-07-2002).]

Lamuness, what is your website’s address?
I might be interested in shelling out some money if you did some custom art for me.

it’s (not surprisingly) www.lamuness.com

Note that I won’t do any commissions now because of thesis and I won’t be free until the beginning of september at the earliest. Also, there are currently 2 commissions putting on hold because of thesis…so I will have to deal with those 2 commissions before I can get to you

The main objective was to have peter take the books back to Japan (and without me shipping overseas directly to him) so I waited until he comes here to comic-con. Given the fact that my stuff didn’t sell at all in various cons, I had no intention to selling it at comic-con; I told him it’s okay if he didn’t put my stuff on jlist’s table.

And whether or not it will sell in japan is another issue, and it’s also something I couldn’t care anyways. I’m letting Peter do whatever he likes with the books when he goes back to Japan even if he is giving them out for free; I have better plans in mind. At this point, getting my stuff exposed to the Japanese market is by far more important than be able to sell in cons here.

I am not upset with you, Nobody, don’t feel that way…although I am upset with the general english market. Thanks for asking though.

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Originally posted by Lamuness:
The main objective was to have peter take the books back to Japan (and without me shipping overseas directly to him) so I waited until he comes here to comic-con. Given the fact that my stuff didn't sell at all in various cons, I had no intention to selling it at comic-con; I told him it's okay if he didn't put my stuff on jlist's table.

And whether or not it will sell in japan is another issue, and it's also something I couldn't care anyways. I'm letting Peter do whatever he likes with the books when he goes back to Japan even if he is giving them out for free; I have better plans in mind. At this point, getting my stuff exposed to the Japanese market is by far more important than be able to sell in cons here.

I am not upset with you, Nobody, don't feel that way...although I am upset with the general english market. Thanks for asking though.



He did put a couple of your books in one of his magazine bins. Somehow it seemed out of place next to all that nudity. Sorry, didn't ask him how many he had sold. JList and PeaPri booths were very busy for the whole day though.

Peter told me it didn’t sell…which is okay, it’s expected anyways

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Originally posted by Nobody:
It's still a little sad than none sold, if only because it demonstrates that the English market has no taste.

Anyway, I hope you get the exposure you seek and things work out as you have envisioned. Best of luck and you're welcome.


Well, taste differs from one individual to another...can't really say that the english market has no taste (as much as I would want to say f*ck it with the english market, I still need to see things from the objective side). Rather, let's just say people here still have different taste than the japanese market despite the fact that we are on the same boat with the anime genre.

I guess the bottom line is that my stuff are much more popular and better appreciated in the Japanese (as well as taiwanese) market than here, simply because of different tastes in different cultures (still remember that stupid "teenage boy orgasm material" comment?).

Yeah, I still remember that stupid comment.

While I think it is important to accept different views and appreciate the differences between cultures, that does not mean one should turn a blind eye towards the views of miotic, ethnocentristic individuals.

I do not know where to draw the line, but as a rule, I stop caring the beliefs of others when they stop respecting the views of others. For example, I respect Islam, however, I have no respect for those who smash two thousand-year-old Greek statues, strip two millennia-old Churches and blow up millenia old Buddhist temples since they consider them sacriligous.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I’m not a fan of the artform. Still, I respect the artform and accept that others appreciate it. I think that one person’s comments speak more of his own ignorance and morality than it says of your work. If that man is that small minded, I do not care what his views are.

Anyway, I have taken a tangent again, as is my wont. I’ll just finish up by saying that I hope the English market eventually grows up and that your work does well, in whatever market accepts it.

From what I could tell of sales at animethon, very few artbooks (of any kind) end up getting sold. Unless its based on something popular, people will just look at the pretty pictures and put it back down. I’m guilty of this to some degree too. But you have to look at it this way. At an anime convention, people are there first for the anime, and then merchandise for the anime they like. While they might look at some artbooks, thier interest lies else where. And for the most part you can’t really collect artbooks here, since they’re usually rare or expensive.

I have to say, I like collecting things. I collect Anime, I collect Manga, and I collect anime figures. I’d probably get artbooks, but because they’re so rare (around here anyways), I feel its not worth it. I’d probably pick some up though if the opportunity arised.

And I guess its also about practicality. You can watch anime, read mangas, and display your plushie army, but artbooks, you can go through it as much as you want, but its got limited content. I have to say my attention span is a bit short, so I don’t dedicate much attention to something like that. Its just pictures. Now callenders, say, thats a good idea. Or perhaps a different medium to distribute the same thing.

Doddler

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Originally posted by Doddler:
From what I could tell of sales at animethon, very few artbooks (of any kind) end up getting sold. Unless its based on something popular, people will just look at the pretty pictures and put it back down. I'm guilty of this to some degree too. But you have to look at it this way. At an anime convention, people are there first for the anime, and then merchandise for the anime they like. While they might look at some artbooks, thier interest lies else where. And for the most part you can't really collect artbooks here, since they're usually rare or expensive.

I have to say, I like collecting things. I collect Anime, I collect Manga, and I collect anime figures. I'd probably get artbooks, but because they're so rare (around here anyways), I feel its not worth it. I'd probably pick some up though if the opportunity arised.

And I guess its also about practicality. You can watch anime, read mangas, and display your plushie army, but artbooks, you can go through it as much as you want, but its got limited content. I have to say my attention span is a bit short, so I don't dedicate much attention to something like that. Its just pictures. Now callenders, say, thats a good idea. Or perhaps a different medium to distribute the same thing.

Doddler


Well, I do agree with you to some extent. One thing I don't understand as a heavily Japanese-focused guy is...anime conventions, if people are there mainly for the anime like you said (and I presume you are talking about those anime showroom/theatre thingys), from what I read from schedules of various cons, the anime is nothing new and are mostly stuff you can readily buy or rent.

You may be right about people here not into collecting, which is why I am shifting the consumer base to Japan, where doujinshi fairs happens almost once every month and there are tons of avid collectors including myself; I blew at least a thousand bucks last year trying to get my hands on many of the world's most famous, best and rarest doujinshis.

I do agree with you about books having limited content and the attention span is short for many people. However, aren't *all* books (regardless if it's magazine, manga, comic, novel, etc) like that (especially porno mags)?

Calendars, nice suggestion, but they have a very short life span; if I can't sell them all within the year (within the first half of the year to some extent) they will become absolute garbage since if I make a 2003 calendar by jan01 2004 it will be totally useless. Even for something like 18-month calendar (something longer than a year) the later it gets sold, the less practical it comes (much less practical than books in my opinion). Books...they will sell in time as my reputation increases in Japan. However, for outdated calendars, even if I am the most famous artist in Japan, what can one do with a calendar with outdated months? Anyhow, the bottom line is that calendars are risky on my part financially (in producing it and making sure it sells). CD-ROMs is another option but I will not sell it here (and I will be pretty damn stubborn and adamant on this) because people here will not pay 10-20 bucks for CDROM while they are typically priced 1000-2000yen in Japan (there was a thread here about some guy complaining the borderline cdrom being too expensive for the contents inside)...and second (and more importantly), art thieves.