Poll - CG presentation, censored / uncensored

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#1

Hmm, as a consumer, I think that it’s kind of better to uncensor the CG’s in an adult Bishoujo game, but… IF there was no way to remove the mosaics, then it’d be OKAY if the CG’s stayed censored (but I’d think that the CG’s would be of lesser quality then, at least compared to an uncersored adult CG). But, after all… From my point of view, the CG’s aren’t the most important part in a Bishoujo game, it’s the story… So in other words, if a game had censored CG’s but a good story, then I would still buy the game.

[This message has been edited by Spectator Beholder (edited 11-09-2001).]

#2

My personal preference is that a game or anime should be able to stand on it’s own merits and that the censoring shouldn’t be taken into account. I also don’t exactly like “mosaic” but it’s more because it tends to break up the image of the artwork and is more of a distraction to me than anything else. (Besides, I know what things are supposed to look like under there…I went to class, studied the videos… )

And I’d rather have a “censored” work rather than something that has obviously been altered just to “show everything.” I’ve seen “fixed” images where the art style of the genitals do not match the rest of the image. Again, it becomes a distraction to me that I can live without.

As to how to sell to a market that wants such “uncensoring.” Don’t have any ideas there. It’s a trend that been going on for awhile to have more “explicit” details in things. Stuff that used to be just implied now have to be shown a bit more. (I’m sorta thinking of how the original Star Trek series would have infamous “boot scenes” that would be enough…now you need to see the characters under a sheet with bare shoulders and a sexy silhouette from the sheet…)

Er, guess that’s my opinion on the subject. You still should be able to enjoy it even if it’s censored and I personally would think it’s worth the risk at times to go with distributing such work.

#3

Just a side note :-

Me,coming from a place where they held censorship in high regards (IE:- Singapore) would like to add that if the CGs are truly “censored”,it will means no H-CGs at all.

Therefore,I will prefer to refer to use the terms “mosiaced” rather then “censored”.

#4

depends on the type of game really

if its Xchange2, better uncensor it
if its AIR, ill be so happy that i wont care about a lil mosaic

#5

If it were for me, I would leave it with the mosaic. Two reasons: it would take less resources to make the translation of the game and, to quote Slayer-san, let us use our imagination. Unfortunately, the majority of the people on this side of the world will be less likely to buy the game as they will feel cheated because the company isn’t giving them the whole picture.

Or, making a game from adult to non-adult so that it can appeal the whole market! (a la Leaf/Aqua Plus). Yeah, I know it would take even more resources to do it; and we won’t have games like X-Change, then…

#6

I don’t really mind games having mosaic over em, cuz alot of times the genital area is blank anywayz in females(I caught this in a few games) and they add the mosaic to make it seem as though something is going on(lol) kinda stupid but, what can I say. Once the game gets marketed over here, sometimes they draw stuff in and it looks bad.

If the art is good enough I’ll buy it…plain and simple.

#7

Here’s my take on the censor/uncensor issue.

Proponent on censor (AKA original Japanese):
"I am a purist, and I say if the original versions of the artwork have mosaic or censored in some other fashion, so be it. I would rather retain the original artist or authors wishes instead of having another artist lift the mosaic from the artwork. If the original artist had wanted it that way he would have kept it uncensored. If the resultant of uncensoring is an image that seem jarring due to the discrepant artist abilities, it is even more distracting than mosaics."
Proponent on uncensor:
"I am a purist, and I say the original as the artist wished it was the uncensored version beceause he was merely conforming to the local ordinances that had prohibited him from showing fully the details that were meant to be seen. Spare me the black spots and mosaics."
I think I walk a little bit in between the both. I would like the original artist’s vision be preserved, but if the resultant is the strange amorphous private parts that I’m treated to, spare me and keep the mosaics. The details I care about are the stories, the faces, and the breasts, because that’s where the characters are expressed (they don’t censor breasts, do they?). At the same time, I’ve seen some really huge, badly done mosaics before, so bad they intrude upon much of the character facial expressions, other body parts and what not. Ugh, if I want that I’ll just watch the tortuous, discombobulated trippy colors on the Spice channel, except they don’t even have a story to follow, hard as I may try.
Oh, and by the bye, I think choice, artist obscurement through veils or blankets or whatever would be great as well, if the original artist can do that. I just don’t need to see something like a piece of leaf that hangs off magically off of Goku’s privates.

[This message has been edited by bokmeow (edited 11-09-2001).]

#8
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
Just a quick note... actually, the uncensored are the ones that may be lower quality. The reason is because the original artists may not be doing the work, so you may have a quality variance from the original work.

Extreme examples of this can be seen when pirates "uncensor" the content they've stolen... the results are not at all pleasant (stomach-turning is a phrase that it too nice to describe your probable reaction...)

You may be right, but... well, that depends on... In X-change, I thought sometimes that the male genitals looked kind of strange (but not in all of the CG's), but the female genitals looked okay... so I'd say that it depends on the artist who're drawing it...

#9

Censoring doesn’t bother me too much…Having played various games in the original Japanese the censoring doesn’t take away from the overall impact of the game. Besides, I’ve already stated in another topic that I prefer story over art.

#10
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Originally posted by Slayer:
...censoring provides us the consumer to use there imagintation, lets face it we all know what the human body looks like...

The imagination is a good thing! Well most of the time, that mind reader wasn't too happy about what she was seeing in my head... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

I was just thinking about the anime I just saw, "Buttobi CPU". They didn't show anything except some breast shots really but the fact that Akira had to upgrade his "bio-type computer" Mimi's memory through insertion of "active molecules" in her "front slot", well you can pretty much imagine what would be going on. I just laughed myself silly over such digs as the "Nakintosh sisters" and the apple logo used. (And also makes me wonder what the "active molecule" to memory size translation rate is...)

But even though I'm a typical horny, computer geek (Maybe I should put THAT on my business cards), the fact that they didn't show graphic sex when they easily could have didn't bother me in the slightest. I was enjoying myself too much to care! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

#11

I would prefer uncensored as long as it was redone by the original artist/s .

#12
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Originally posted by ekylo:
The imagination is a good thing! Well most of the time, that mind reader wasn't too happy about what she was seeing in my head... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

I was just thinking about the anime I just saw, "Buttobi CPU". They didn't show anything except some breast shots really but the fact that Akira had to upgrade his "bio-type computer" Mimi's memory through insertion of "active molecules" in her "front slot", well you can pretty much imagine what would be going on. I just laughed myself silly over such digs as the "Nakintosh sisters" and the apple logo used. (And also makes me wonder what the "active molecule" to memory size translation rate is...)

But even though I'm a typical horny, computer geek (Maybe I should put THAT on my business cards), the fact that they didn't show graphic sex when they easily could have didn't bother me in the slightest. I was enjoying myself too much to care! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

Heh ya i loved Buttobi CPU alot, it was so fun to watch i didn't even care for any detail (you know...). Mosiac doesn't really bother me unless it's distracting, as long as it doesn't seem out of place to much and trys to blend into the CG. I don't want something distracting me from the beutiful art that im suppose to be looking at. But hey, if i can get it uncencored then i'll be happy to take it as long as it looks good and doesn't distract me again from the rest of the CG. Am i making any sence? oh well, uncencoring isn't that necessary.

[This message has been edited by Freak (edited 11-09-2001).]

#13

i really have no opinion at all about mosaics…i like the unmuddled look of the unmosaic’d…the whole picture flows better, but one of my favorite games is The Maid’s Story, which is entirely mosaic’d…i care more about how fun, replayable, and story-oriented the game is than whether or not i can see the puss

#14

Well, I really don’t have a big opinion one way or the other.

But… if I had to chose, and not be a fence sitter, I’d rather have the mosaiced material for a coupe of reasons.

1) Most mosaicing has shurnk to such an extent that it doesn’t really blur anything anymore. Read any of the etchi CCS or Outlaw Star doujinshi manga? Three strategically placed band-aids would cover more.

So, it seems kinda silly to me to spend so much time and effort at removing something that doesn’t really keep you from knowing and imagining what’s there anyway.

All the Cream Lemon series are mosaiced, and they are still among the most popular adult anime out there.

And, as Lady Phoenix said, it doesn’t really affect Game Play. The Maid’s Story is still a great little game to play.

2) Unless the artist gives the okay to remove the mosaicing, you’re altering their work. Maybe they puroposely choose to use a sheet, a blur, a shadow, no pubic hairs, or whatever, in order to make the scene and event even more erotic. As you can then use your imagination, and imagine you actually being there. Now, if the artist gives the okay, that’s fine.

3) By leaving the mosaicing, you could take an interesting Marketing Twist to make the game 17+, and not 18+. R rated movies can show T and A, but not frontal genitalia. NC-17 can show genetalia, but no intercourse.

So… by leaving the mosaicing in, the products would be more R and less NC-17. As you can’t really see anything… even though you know what’s going on.

Besides, I don’t think it would matter to the general audience. Everyone knows the old “innuendo” jokes, and voice tones and such. They use them on TV shows like Futureama, Angel, Buffy, Family Guy, Drew Carey, Whose Line Is It?, Survivor, etc., etc., etc.

To me, these shows get such good followings becuase people don’t want to see hard-core sex and nudity, but want to be titilated and teased. We know what’s going on… and we can’t quite see it… but we can cheat, and immagine what we shouldn’t be seeing.

So, I would be in favor of just leaving the mosaicing there. It doesn’t really cover anything, and it would save time/money on translating and porting the product.

Hope that made some sort of sense.

Mike

#15

In respose to Mike about the Doujinshi:
Yeah, it does seem that alot of Doujinshi and even Manga by certain Publishers have no censorship what so ever…and these are Comic companies that are not exactly what you’d call “underground” like a Doujin Circle.
Comic Publishers that allow uncensored art:
X-Comics, Fujimi, Shinyusha
There are more…but I gotta look ^_^;

#16

My opinion:
1. If the original artwork was not mosaic to begin with and it is still available use that.
2. If original artwork is not available but artist is, have him do a make a new image of the scene.
3. If nether of the above is possible try to see if the mosaic can be corrected/lessen by using a computer.
4. Get someone to copy the original artist’s style and make a unmosaic copy of the image.
5. If the artist mosaic the image himself then leave it.

#17

I had something else in my mind than this kind of poll LOL but here I go:

I am totally against censhorship, therefore I won 't buy that game no matter how good the story is. I might sound a bit harsh again but what is the use of a bishojo game when it is censored ? For me, the artwork is quite important. But if some pictures were accidently kept censored like the game, then I still will buy the game. Having this discussion now, I know most of you bought the game Adam, I would like to know if it is censored or not.

#18
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Originally posted by Kurutsu:
I had something else in my mind than this kind of poll LOL but here I go:

I am totally against censhorship, therefore I won 't buy that game no matter how good the story is. I might sound a bit harsh again but what is the use of a bishojo game when it is censored ? For me, the artwork is quite important. But if some pictures were accidently kept censored like the game, then I still will buy the game. Having this discussion now, I know most of you bought the game Adam, I would like to know if it is censored or not.

I'm not going to disagree. If uncensoring was so bad of a thing, then having uncut versions of anime wouldn't be a selling point. Then again, anime is a little different since they just get the pre-mosaic versions and that's not always possible for games.

To me, I think that it depends on the kind and amount of censoring. Some censoring (like some mosaics) doesn't cover up much, and oftentimes uncensoring it makes it look weird. But I really dislike the really visually harsh censoring, like the awful "white out" or "giant black bar" techniques. Or if they censor so much of the image that it covers almost their whole waist. In those cases, I would almost beg to have that crap removed.

As for Adam The Double Factor, the game is half censored. Basically, the game has half of the images uncensored, and the rest is very censored. I'm not sure why they did it this way, but that's how they are selling it.

In my opinion, the Eve series should have stayed non-H and just had suggestive content. From what I can tell, the Eve series is actually better when it doesn't have H in it. (Although the weak attempt to cover up the erotic scenes in Eve Burst Error was lame... I wish that they had left those scenes in the game than try to put in such terrible, stilted dialogue to cover it up.)

#19

One thing that is so very unique about American culture is that it was founded upon a principle of freedom to do anything, although its idea was way ahead of its time and it went through lots of growing pain, passed through lots of dark sociopolitical phases, only now finally maturing into something of a closer approximation to its founding principles. There may come a day that America will truly understand multicultural standards, but for now if you try to sell something with ‘slight mosaic/censored’ without a disclaimer ‘due to a good reason’ it will unfortunately face some rejection. Simply put, an American consumer who refuses to buy a censored/edited Bishoujo game does so because he adheres to the ideology that censorship is a restraint of freedom. Count ourselves lucky that the censors were not able to destroy the shows we’ve come to love: Macross; Cardcaptor Sakura; Gundam Wing. Each one of them succeeded because of the merits of its story in spite of having gone under the knife. I’m a bit fuzzy on the school of sociology that endorsed the idea of a society controlled by a few select members at the top of the order because they, for lack of a better term, ‘know better’ than the rest, and should control the information disseminated to the mass. But, I digress. Despite all its merits, ‘The Vision of Escaflowne’ couldn’t reach its intended audience after being operated upon. I hereby give my final thoughts on the subject.

[This message has been edited by bokmeow (edited 11-11-2001).]

#20
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Originally posted by bokmeow:
Count ourselves lucky that the censors were not able to destroy the shows we've come to love: Macross; Cardcaptor Sakura; Gundam Wing. Each one of them succeeded on the merits of its story in spite of having gone under the knife.

Oh, they did! It is called edited dubbed version!