Quick question

Given that both anime games and adult games are niche products, wouldn’t be better to establish the non-adult anime game market before going for the adult market? It seems like adult anime is a subculture of a subculture.

I don’t know how this works nationwide, but most anime fans I know wish that dating and life sims were released here, but they’d rather not play hentai.

I support peapri (just ordered TCI) but I would rather play non-adult life sims (just personal preference).

So I was just curious, is the market for adult games better than for non-adult?

What I do know is that the classics of the non-adult games has it’s roots in the adult genre with little exposure to speak of and establish their fanbase from there.Take To Heart,Kanon and Comic Party as past examples and AIR as a future one.

Seldom does a game of this genre is released straigth as a non-adult one first.The series of games in the Memories Off and Sakura Wars series manage to do so because they are made by famed coporations and had a lot of exposure before being released.

I know many people would rather play non-adult ones than adult ones, it’s perfectly understandable, took me a while to get over it too although I’ve always been curious about bodies and thumbed through Medical Encyclopedias dedicated to reproduction. If you think only females object to the ‘adult content’, which should imply ‘all situations pertaining to adult situations that children are unlikely to encounter, i.e. Getting Married, Getting Fired, Drinking in Bars, etc.’, think again. Males object to the ‘adult content’ just as much as females do. Part of it is reflexive, to protect themselves from conveying the impression that they are ‘perverts’ as so many people are inclined to call us Bishoujo gamers, and the other is entrenched ideology. One of my friends couldn’t watch even Sakura Diaries with us because he said it made him physically ill, those who’ve watched the series know this is pretty light U-jin fare. Support of the current Bishoujo gaming market is commendable, but what this scene really needs is word of mouth support. Please help us spread the word on the game, tell people about it, just buying and not telling is akin to enjoying it by self and not sharing it with other people. No one will understand Bishoujo games if they’ve never played them. And if the only Bishoujo reviews only reinforce the perception that Bishoujo games is just a vehicle for sex just as they would believe Pornography is just a vehicle for sex, then by that line of reasoning Bishoujo Games=Pornography, and people don’t think too highly of Pornography. I would not object to this convoluted line of reasoning if it wasn’t for the terrible light in whch Pornography is perceived. I’m reserving my judgement until I do check out more than just the usual fare at my local video store. For more on unflattering reviews on Bishoujo games, especially one that doesn’t even have sexual content per se, check out Animerica’s review a month ago, the April 02 issue, on Phantom of Inferno, p.61. This reviewer committs two sins of ‘Freedom of Speech’:
1. Doesn’t research his information: “These anime porno CD games are for a relatively small market in Japan” I can’t cite my sources since I don’t remember where I found it, but 25% is no small percentage, and if you break down games into genre, hardly any genre I imagine comprises 50% and more, if ‘Dr. Brown’, the alias of the reviewer, considers that a percentage for a 'relatively large market.'
2. Likes to make sweeping generalization and commits Sociology’s infamous ill of coloring statements with ethics and morals of the predominant institution: “Japanese gamers don’t play PC games (except for the perverts)” and "Japanese are experts at making things cute and also experts at making things that are perverted."

Needless to say, this guy should be no friend of anyone’s. I think I’ll mouth off about this on my website, I think it’s something that needs to be done.

Well, I think there are also people who don’t like hentai for the same reason some people don’t like action games or RPGs - it’s just not their cup of tea. No repression; no ideology - just personal preference. I’m not a fan of hentai because I like to imagine that I’m really the main character. It’s not a big deal, but it sort of annoys me when the main character’s libido causes him to do things I didn’t want him do. Since some games force you into H-scenes, I just feel like I don’t really have control over my character’s actions. Minor issue, but it does limit the enjoyment I get from these games.

I felt the most “in control” of my character during True Love and Divi-dead - not surprisingly those are my favorite games in the genre.

But alot of games (like Love Potion and even CP) have plots that just seem like setups for H-scenes. And that just annoys me.

So anyway, I just want more control over my character’s actions, and it seem that I’m more likely to get that with non-adult games (since non-adult games aren’t required to have sex scenes). But seeing as there are no companies that seem interested in releasing the Tokimemo’s of the world (and other games like that), I’ll just have to support H-games for awhile and keep my fingers crossed.

Sounds cool, there are definitely some great things coming out of Japan. I have immediate family there, so I sometimes get a little tired of the constant barrage of Japanese stuff - but there are certainly some gems. “Baby and I” is still my all time favorite show - I don’t know why it never was very popular in Japan.

I actually have to fly up there in 3 weeks and I’m sort of hoping to buy the “Baby and I” series. But geez, everything is so expensive. The culture is really geared towards rentals (you even rent music CDs) and just is a pain to buy stuff there. Oh well…

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Originally posted by Israfel:
But geez, everything is so expensive. The culture is really geared towards rentals (you even rent music CDs) and just is a pain to buy stuff there. Oh well...

You know, I've never thought about that. I know when my friend was in the JET program she had mentioned something about how she always seemed to be renting stuff. Interesting perception.

Some games are the type that are pretty much endless setups for the next H-scene but they usually are targeting a particular audience anyways. Personally, I'd prefer to have good games transfered here, whether they're adult or not, and supporting the bishoujo genre seems to be a good way of getting it done. After all, I freely admit to enjoying Graduation II don't I? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] (Okay, with the voices turned off but still...)

gyah, the voices were teeth-clenching!

I turned them off, played through a couple of times, but alas, found it much less interesting overall than Princess Maker had been. Pout. I want more Princess Maker in english.

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Originally posted by papillon:
I turned them off, played through a couple of times, but alas, found it much less interesting overall than Princess Maker had been. Pout. I want more Princess Maker in english.
Aaaaahhhhh..... Princess Maker.... *is looking forward to Princess Maker 4*