I believe this image says it all. 8)
It’s a tremendously uninclusive poster! Where’s the threesomes, or the adult women with shotas, or the tentacle monsters with adult women? 
Not to mention that the animal kingdom is poorly represented and matched only with men. :evil:
There’s also no catgirls or other kemonomimi.
lol… alright… so it’s only a start then. :o
My notes are written like this.
Really now? You truly believe that? Might I suggest looking up CHAPTER 113C and relate that to the ongoing shenanigans of the previous American presidential administration. Take note that their actions violated the laws stated within, and involved illegal acts. Now take notice of the “legal exceptions” which prevent prosecution of those guilty of violating those laws ¬ñ both those who gave the order, and those who carried them out.
You can render laws null and void - the precedence has been set many times before, both in and outside court. From presidential pardons to exclusionary testimony. Interesting, no? So who gets to define when laws are followed or not? The government: or rather, the politicians and judges who control it. Whoopie¬Ö no surprise there, eh?
Amusing. And under what legal pretext would you enforce that I do go to a clinic? Because I think funny or evil thoughts?
In the military, there were a lot of guys who’d talk about the pretty girls they saw out in port, and how they’d bend them over and slam them sideways until they couldn’t walk, whether they wanted to or not, because they’d been at sea for 6 months straight.
I knew a sniper who always talked about how killing people was an art form: he’d tell stories and quote philosophies about how murder was like breathing and a normal part of life. He loved explaining how the different body parts explode when shot from different angles and different forms of ammunition. He volunteered for every combat assignment, because as he put it (paraphrasing here): “it was the only place he could kill people and not get sent to jail for it.”
There was a time when I had the opportunity to listen in as a colonel give US Marines, just a few hours before they were getting deployed to a combat zone, a glorious speech about how they’d rip and rend their enemy’s limb from limb - bomb them to the Stone Age and teach them what it means to screw with the U.S. of A hardcore - then end it with the words, and I quote it exactly: “Kill 'em all Marines! Hurah!” Which was followed by a feverous chant of over 100 Marines yelling, “hurah” in return. In the well deck, there was nothing but talk about how they were going to kill, kill, kill until God/Allah wept in pride of how great Marines could kill.
Several weeks following that patriotic speech, I was in an APC with a broken AC that was stuck in traffic. The driver was quite unhappy, kept complaining how the locals couldn’t drive, and how much he wanted to just run 'em all over. Someone retorted that they were only civilians, to which he replied, “bonus points”. Then everyone started making a list of how much people were worth: (healthy people were like 50 points each, but the elderly and children were 500). We had a great old time laughing our guts out, as we justified why easier targets were better targets.
Now then, are you going to imply that all these people should report to a clinic with me? Because it’s gonna be a full clinic. This is why imagining a crime, is not the same as committing an actual crime: because a lot of good people think of a lot of disgusting things, but are absolutely harmless and law-abiding. There’s fantasy and reality. Just as people’s perception between the two should never be crossed, neither should the law’s accusation of guilt. Case in point: many a neo-nazi WANTS to destroy Israel. You’re going to punish them with genocide war crimes for thinking it? Next you’ll be telling me, people should be punished for what they dream about.
Just because their actions aren’t against the law doesn’t mean they’re right in the head (and should not be seeking mental help). I don’t know about that sniper. And well, military training is essentially brainwashing. It has to be, because warfare completely contradicts a person’s normal functional role in society. Taken objectively, military mentality is downright frightening.
- I happen to think a lot of people in the military are screwed up mentally, either from joining simply wanting to be able to harm people in an acceptable manner, to becoming mentally scarred from their experiences. Not all, just a large part. I’m not going to debate your personal experiences, as I REALLY do not want to A: Insult you or B: Get into a debate about the military. Sociopathic thoughts, if persistent and directed at other living beings, should certainly be cause for alarm. It’s a major warning sign, one that shouldn’t be ignored. Granted, occasional thoughts along these lines are normal, but when they are commonplace, an obsession, or something that a person is debating acting on, then there’s a problem. *
So then you’re insinuating that the majority of the military - because I can assure you these people are fairly standard issue as far the armed service goes - need professional psychiatric help, rather than accept the obvious that people can think crazy things and remain normal? That kind of thinking indicates an incredibly insulated upbringing - which has at been clinically proven to produce deviant behavior in of its own - or a lack of understanding that just because people don’t think like you, does not mean they’re insane or just a hair trigger away from turning crazy. These are people who are defending your way of life, so you can have the freedom to accuse them of being insane.
The military doesn’t brainwash people, in as so much as it opens your eyes to the stupidity of things. The longer you stay in, the more you realize how incredibly dumb things are - both in and out the military. What people THINK is definitely a least concern; what people DO is infinitely more important.
Unless it gets out-of-hand and then it may become mob justice or vigil antes.
I don’t think so. I think it’s the same league. And by the way, just so you know, people do get pardoned for committing torture: as recently as Obama. People have also been pardoned for rape in previous administrations… and you don’t have to go that far back to find them.
What an interesting view of the world you have: it ignores what makes humanity so unique and individual ¬ñ that we think differently. You adamantly stand on the notion that anyone who thinks bad thoughts from YOUR prospective, is an evil waiting to be unleashed and should be incarcerated or confined or rehabilitated. My what a slippery slope and how wonderfully Orwellian. Ironically I see that world WORST than the one we have now - when an mere imagination is punished for being held on too long, even if a person never enacts upon it, or has no intention to enact upon it. You wouldn’t even give them a choice. Even the harsh God of the Old Testament doesn’t do that. He knew the distinction between evil thoughts and evil action, and that man’s ability to know right from wrong at the moment of truth - and thus not actually commit a crime - was a glorious thing (wasn’t forgiving… but He waited till you did the deed). You’re ideaology is even MORE oppressive than the military - and that is truly scary - if you’d persecute 10% of the population, to find the 0.1% that you’re looking for.
The military are an awkward example to use… if you know people in the military, you probably know plenty of people who can think about killing people and not do it. But if you know much about the military, you also know that there are a lot of people in the military who DO snap and start doing all those violent things they’re joking about. (I’d argue that the stress of being in a war zone, being in danger, and having to REALLY kill people does more to wear down the boundaries between acceptable and unacceptable behavior than just joking about it, though.)
Actually I feel the military is a perfect example. Because the military is generally truthful about when something goes wrong (unless it’s classified), and the media loves a good story, people tend to focus on things that are sensationalized. If you look at the number of people who serve, and then look at the number of people who snap, it’s an incredibly small number: a few dozen to millions. Pushing aside all the niceties, the military is an institution that teaches people how to kill. Some branches are more direct that others, but overall that’s the ultimate goal of efficiency. Yet while people can think bad thoughts on a daily basis, the majority are not a menace to society. People may not like a military presence, but few are seriously fearful about their local military population being crazed killers on the loose. The military is also an incredibly stressful environment, that frequently pushes people to the limits of their mental health: from the chaos of combat stress to the monotony of sheer boredom. They demonstrate how the human mind’s discipline and dedication to its own moral compass, overcomes basic instinct even in the worst situations. A person wants to run and hide, but they stand firm stay to fight. A person wants to torture and maim the capture enemy soldiers out of vengeance, but they escort them unharmed back to the detention area. A person wants punch his superior officer for being a dick and giving him double duty, but they give a “yes sir” and do what their told. Thus the origin of the saying, “a bitching sailor/soldier is a happy sailor/soldier.”
Military people are fairly vocal about how they feel and think around their comrades ¬ñ not politically corrected or worried about offending others ¬ñ because being exposed to a wide variety of cultures, views, and ideology makes you that way. It’s one of the few organizations where you have extremities like a Blackman from the inner city needing to befriend, trust, and rely on a Whiteman from the deep country South all the time or repeatedly. You get a whole new sense of how things work. Will you hear there are murderers and rapists in uniform? Of course there are, because a military is always a reflection of the society it serves. It can’t magically wave a wand and filter out the good from the bad, although it goes to great effort in trying (hence boot camp). If the extreme discipline, monitoring, and “brainwashing” of the military can’t find or root these individuals out to great effect ¬ñ and the military is fairly efficient in weeding things out ¬ñ what realistic expectation is there, that a more disciplined, monitored and brainwashed civilian world is going to cleanse them out. There is none. It’s absolutely absurd.
I also used the military, because it shows the how the idea HARMS society. The precedence of punishing bad thoughts means you’re also punishing people who protect you, in order to protect. That’s insane. And the bulk of people don’t join the military to kill or have a desire to kill: they join because it’s the only reliable job they could find, it pays for college, they like the toys you can only find in the military (where else can you drive a tank or steer an aircraft carrier), want to see the world, or its a steady paycheck that always pays. They’re normal individuals when they join, and they’re normal individuals when they leave… they just have a new and unique prospective on the world. Even that sniper with the crazy stories, is a loving father and dedicated husband, who ended up joining his hometown SWAT when he got “too old and battered” for constant combat duty and tired of teaching new grunts how to kill.
Not to mention those of us who joined to serve and protect, although the number of people with that in mind has significantly dropped. Working on tanks was another bonus I suppose.
We definitely have a unique perspective on the world that’s for sure. Talking to the other people getting out at the same time as me I can also say that many that leave now are becoming increasingly bitter with the military as a whole as well as having a much more jaded view on the world. However this does not mean we are bordering on snapping and going on some kind of rampage. Truth be told most of those who snap nowadays end up trying to kill themselves rather than others. I had three guys in my platoon attempt suicide in less than a year and we weren’t even in combat. No matter how you look at it the vast majority of soldiers, either through personal beliefs or training, are very much against causing harm to others. Hence why the homicide rate in the military is so low, especially when compared to the suicide rate. Despite this, just like in the civilian sector there are rapes and other heinous crimes being committed in the armed services, it’s just a smaller percentage. Claiming the military is a hotbed of potential threats to society is ridiculous, you’re more likely to find such individuals in other areas of society.
lol… that would be the stupidity factor. 
Like spending 15 minutes on a checklist to use a truck you only intend to drive 5 minutes into town to pick up something. Or getting personnel hyped up on a special port call or morale event, only to suddenly cancel it the day before, and use the time to instead “clean and train” a crew that has spend the last two weeks, cleaning and training. Or getting fired on by enemy combatants while you are explicitly given orders to not fire back under any circumstance, because they’re worried about us killing the wrong person (never mind about us getting killed) or the chain of command wants use something else because they’re bored.
I think I’ve heard that certain kinds of crimes are much higher among military personnel than the normal population, however I do not have statistics to hand. I’ve also heard rumors that certain nutcase groups intentionally encourage their members to join the military to get training for the coming apocalypse/racewar/whatever. However, I’m reasonably certain those are still a very SMALL fraction of the military.
Lest anyone think I hate the military, I’ll point out that my parents met in the military.
That’s the media fear mongering things again. People like that have been infiltrating the military for decades… probably centuries (I’m sure there were pro-Confederates after the Civil War, hoping to “rise again” when the time was right). Back in the 70’s and 80’s it was street gang members like the Bloods and Crips joining so they could get combat training and use it on the streets. Again a military is only a reflection of the society: if there are atheists in America, there will be atheists in the military. Same goes for gang bangers, racists, and the mentally unstable. The most obvious people are noticed right away: if you’re giving back talk to your superior because he’s from an inferior race, that’s just not gonna cut it for long. Do some join and successfully serve 4 or 8 years? Sure. Is the military littered with racists and gang members? Of course not. Racists and gang members also infiltrate the police force of major cities, the FBI and CIA: you don’t see too many CNN reports on that though.
I’ve seen the statistics about military crime versus civilian crime. It’s a rather popular study with criminologists, because the military is like its own civilization. Even more important: it’s a civilization without unemployment, poverty, and open intolerance; led by stable leadership and with social stability. Naturally even in such a “perfect” world, there’s crime and inequity… which is a MAJOR shot in the foot for ultra moralists who argue otherwise (there’s also still class structure - officers, nco, enlisted, etc). In any case: ultra violent crimes like murder and rape are generally lower than that found in civilian society. Things like theft, getting prostitution, drunken conduct, assault and battery are generally more common than the civilian counterpart. However even then, the findings are a bit skewered on the results. Military theft is more likely occur from someone stealing from the military itself (equipment, funding, supplies, etc) rather than actual theft from another person. It’s still theft of course: but they’ll paint it as if theft was happening between individual people on a daily basis. Another thing is that some statistics will combine multiple military services from around the globe. That’s kinda unfair, since if someone were to throw Russia in there, the whole findings are thrown outta wack.
When it sounds ultra terrible, is probably disinformation.
Here’s info about US forces in Korea and their contribution to crime.
Generally it’s people making a mountain out of a mole hill, for various political agendas. With extreme exceptions, the end conclusion is that the US military is better at handling crime, than the societies they protect. However these accusers expect the impossible idea, that the military should be crimeless. Not going to happen, so long as humans are what make us human to begin with.
Would be interesting to find out what that would be.
I though in general have to agree with Narg. While I have never been in the military, both sides of my family have been, including military intelligence. None of them are homicidal maniacs, rapists, bullies, etc, though some of them do have a more rigid approach to their life than most people might be comfortable with.
Don’t twist my words. I think most people in the military could use help, but not because they are evil. War is hell. It’s unhealthy mentally, and it helps to have someone to talk to that ha the capability to help you. One of my friends was a medic in Vietnam. He got hit by grenade shrapnel and can’t use his legs anymore. There was no shame in him seeking help for his PTSD.
Also, you’re glossing over my point. If you have homicidal thoughts regularly, regardless on if you act on them or not, it’s not healthy.
Here’s some examples of what I’m talking about.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/04/puppy.marine/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neyqL2aRpVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUg-bdE7M70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z0NMKcVHHM
A minority selection of a vast group? Sure. But are you going to argue that the people above shouldn’t seek counseling?