http://www.mainichi.co.jp/news/flash/shakai/20020417k0000m040099000c.html
Oh My God!!! gasps
Anyone care to speculate what would happen if this happened here in the States? (Begins seeing congressman calling for nationwide bans on adult games and titles dealing in such material, and why not try to crucify the entire genre while at it?)
Hmm,anyone mind telling me or e-mailing on what the news is about?
I can’t read a single Japanese
If something like that happened outside of Japan, they’d be much less likely to blame games since they aren’t really well known enough. They’d probably blame porn movies or something else mainstream instead.
Can’t read Japanese and don’t have time to use the Altavista transaltor right now, but id what Joe-kun said is correct, then… Well, then I’m simply speechless 
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Can't read Japanese and don't have time to use the Altavista transaltor right now, but id what Joe-kun said is correct, then... Well, then I'm simply speechless [img]http://www.contrabandent.com/cwm/s/cwm/cwm/eek2.gif[/img]
Here you go spec.
http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/archive/200204/17/20020417p2a00m0fp003001c.html
Damn!
Well with all the millions of people that play these games I suppose one will always go overboard. It happans with every popular thing. I remember that a group of teenage girls surrounded someone, bet them up and and bit their neck after watching buffy the vampire slayer on TV.
Jo
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Originally posted by Kumiko Kamiyama:
The guy was unemployed... so, where'd he get the money of the games? They're expensive. Also, it should be noted that S&M and B&D play is extremely popular with women seeking erotic entertainment online.
Couple of suppositions: i) he bought them at resale price using most of the money he gets from doing odd jobs, ii) if he had broadband internet connection (ie, if he can afford it) and p2p comes to mind, iii) not difficult if he's got friends to trade these games with.
In any case, 30 S&M games are a lot for anyone to own, and if you look at the way pop media--esp manga and games--shape the minds of many of Japan's young today, it somewhat scary.
A fetish should just be that--a fetish. Women who are into S&M aren't a majority, but when games and such promoting such activities became so wide-spread it can become an insidious thing in a society that doesn't take very well to non-conformists, and these games aren't offereing them a very constructive form of escapism as well.
As for the "many women" who may enjoy such "entertainment", the "many" could after all be in minority, and as in this case, it's the majority that usually ends up on the wrong end of someone else's fantasies.
In any case, here's a summary of what the article's about:
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This all happened in Hokkaido (Sapporo). The victim's a 20-year-old woman, while the man who locked her up in his apartment for 2 weeks is an unemployed man aged 21. The man apparently knew the woman, and confined her to a room on the second floor of his apartment for two weeks in Sept last year. Whenever he went out, he would lock the place up so she couldn't escape; he also provided her with meals. The woman was released on the 23rd, but became extremely traumatised. However, in January this year, she finally reported the case to the police
The police investigating the case found the man in the possession of over 30 S&M(slave-training) PC games--which the authorities have seized. According to the woman, she was made to wear a collar, and was treated very like the characters in the games, including being beaten on the face.
This is the third in such cases.
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Food for thought the next time anyone surround themselves with Natural or Zetsubo, or the like? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by yyoshi (edited 04-18-2002).]
Hmm,I wonder whether this will bring any changes to Adult Bishoujo Games industry in Japan?
Anyhow,the man was so much into S&M (30 games) and the strange part is that he’s hooked into PC games and not into others, like movie and such.
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Originally posted by yyoshi:
In any case, 30 S&M games are a lot for anyone to own,
And 30 hack'n'slah games or games where you jsut fight a lot and see a lot of blood could also be a lot for nayone to own [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
In any case, you're right about that
A fetish should just be that - a fetish. I myself likes both the kikuchi and the "pure love" type of bishoujo games, but even so, 65 percent of the games on my "wish list" of adult bishoujo games are leaning more towards the "darker" type od adult bishoujo games. But even if it should happen that I come to like the darker type better, doing what that man did is something I myself never could do, since I'm too shy and kind [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] (Hey! why all those [img]http://www.animenation.net/forums/images/smilies/dodgy.gif[/img] looks!?)
quote:Shy?! You're shy, Beholder?! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
(...)But even if it should happen that I come to like the darker type better, doing what that man did is something I myself never could do, since I'm too shy and kind [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] (Hey! why all those looks!?)
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Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
Shy?! You're shy, Beholder?! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
... You should see me when I tries to get close to a _real_ girl, Olf. I'm not good at approach a girl, nor am I good at creating an interesting converstion, so when ever I try to get close to a girl, I nearly always ends up chickening out, unfortunately enough. [img]http://www.animenation.net/forums/images/smilies/sweatdrop.gif[/img] .
Just a little note, mind you: This doesn't necressary mean that I haven't had any girlfriends. It's just that I have more troble getting close to them than most other people.
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
... You should see me when I tries to get close to a _real_ girl, Olf. I'm not good at approach a girl, nor am I good at creating an interesting converstion, so when ever I try to get close to a girl, I nearly always ends up chickening out, unfortunately enough. [img]http://www.animenation.net/forums/images/smilies/sweatdrop.gif[/img] .Just a little note, mind you: This doesn't necressary mean that I haven't had any girlfriends. It's just that I have more troble getting close to them than most other people.
Oh this is just too good to pass up... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
Just kidding. I'm more of a reserved person myself when I first meet people. (If I ever get to a con and meet any of you, you'll see what I mean.) But hey, that's who I am so why worry?
Back to the topic, some people do go to far in their hobbies. And some people do have a hard time seperating reality from fantasy (I don't think it excuses them all the time but there's a reason why psychiatrists have jobs.) It will be interesting to see what the eventual fallout from this will be.
Hear hear. My mom just hates Anime, and thinks I have trouble distinguishing film and Anime from reality. I feel vindicated to know that she has never enjoyed watched Anime and enjoys talking smack about it.
There are too many people who don’t like things that they haven’t watched, played, experienced or whatever. It’s pretty sad that it seems that the majority of people are like this. My parents didn’t like anime either, but I convinced them to watch Perfect Blue and they did liked it.
"Denial leads to delusion. Delusion leads to favoritism. Favoritism leads to bashing. Bashing…leads to the Dark Side."
A rather humorous quote taken out of context that I often use to needle close-minded people if only because it’s so true (well, mostly true anyway, as the Dark Side part doesn’t count).
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Originally posted by ekylo:
Oh this is just too good to pass up... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
Hmm, you aren't pulling my tigh now, are you? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Just kidding. I'm more of a reserved person myself when I first meet people. (If I ever get to a con and meet any of you, you'll see what I mean.) But hey, that's who I am so why worry?
Hmm... Why, indeed [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] : Nah, I'd probably have more to worry about than you, if it ever became like that. Hmm, but this makes me wonder how many of the members of this forum who has actually meet IRL?
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Back to the topic, some people do go to far in their hobbies. And some people do have a hard time seperating reality from fantasy (I don't think it excuses them all the time but there's a reason why psychiatrists have jobs.) It will be interesting to see what the eventual fallout from this will be.
Yep, But there's always people like that... people that have a hard time separating reality from fantasy [img]http://www.animenation.net/forums/images/smilies/scared.gif[/img] . Anyone here who has watched episod 5 or 6 of Boogiepop Phantom? There was aguy like that there... he played lots of adult bishoujo games and began to confuse them with reality (but that might have been because of that drug...).
I hope that some women enjoy it doesn’t mean we can tolerate the wrongs done on the victims. It just one of the imitation of crimes. As we had seen on news, some crimes actually based on movies.
I think Japanese government already responded. They had Video Ethnic Agency. Many sadistic games were produced in PC9801 era. Japanese Computer Software Ethnic Agency was found afterward.
Like you guys said, fantasy should be just fantasy.
Yes, we’ve all got fantasies. Some may have fantasies of gasing Jews and other minorities, but this doesn’t warrant a PC sim (commerical or not) that re-simulates a Nazi concentration camp; likewise some twisted minds may relish crashing an entire airline jet into a skyscrapper, but this doesn’t mean we should have a game that encourages such activities as well. Sure, S&M and other sexual fetish are fine if they’re some woman or man’s fantasies, and they can realise these fantasies in the privacy, but that doesn’t mean there’s nothing disturbing about games that glorify acts of turning ordinary women into sex-slaves.
Studying the darker side of human nature is one thing–we’ve seen how literal works like Ducasse’s “Les Chants de Maldoror” have scared the living daylights out of conservatives as far back as the 19th century.
But I really can’t see what good we can get from glorifying games which sole purpose is to reinforce the idea that “women’s bodies are promiscuous, even if their words deny it” (to quote Isaku), and thus gives men the right to help fulfill their dark fantasies–forcibly or otherwise. I may be the minority (tho I hope not), but maybe someone can enlighten me by justifying the kind of sexual violence we see in an anime like Yakin Byoutou?
Not when the deluge of S&M, and other hardcore hentai anime/manga/games, are either so meaningless or blatant or overtly pretentious, an overdose of these too-readily available stuff is as helpful to a demented mind as a bagful of magic mushrooms.
[This message has been edited by yyoshi (edited 04-22-2002).]