but I hate simplectic, but it still comes down to if your personal morality allows you to steal. Be it a crate of gold or someones lost wallet, you are honeist or not. good example would be the current problem with enron, are they less gulity of theft because they a corp or should they be held just as accountable if they where a person? sometimes
poeple will look to there leaders and see examples that “stealing” dont count if you do it “big” enought. Or the just dont get caught
view point. poeple must demand from other poeple we share the planet with that they act with honsity and accountabily. If we let the moral slackers off, we have no one to blame all the way from top to bottom. It maybe no more then a respect issue… YOUR stuff anit worth nothing so ill just take it… Or i know better how to use this then you. Or maybe greed has gotten so out of hand that it dont matter what they do to whomever as long as they come-up on top…
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Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
First, Hedonist, sorry. I detected some anger in your post following mine, so I apologize. I didn't want to insinuate anything when I wrote ".wmv" was a standard, just stating a fact.Also, I think there's 2 levels (though "level" isn't probably the right word) when talking abut "promoting" any thing. The first level (ours; well most of ours [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]) is that of hardcore fans, who'd try to promote the genre at any cost. The second (yours apparently) is that of the genuine user, who would only buy games which would appeal to him.
None are right; the industry needs both IMO. It's just that at the present time us hardcore fans have more "work" to do... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
Not A problem, no offense taken,,,
and you are quite right, to make it to the big markets, the niche has to grow beyound its own limits. I think one of the current
limits maybe just the percived problem with sex in general. We just had a pres that left under a cloud for doing sex things in office,
there is very conseritvein office and it really appers to some of us the they really do want to control adults see and read. not a good mood for games of this type i think.
Very general view would be eveytime we have a
gop in office, we go to war and have high finace crimes. when we have dem in office we have sex scandels... Which is worse for the pubic mood is hard to say but I would rather
have someone in office who was satisfied then
looking for A axes of evil (gimmie a break!)
Rog
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Originally posted by The Hedonist:
You don't get the point.. This is the point: I won't just spend my money to "support" a genre. If there is a product in the genre that I want, all well and good. Buy it just to keep a company (any company this is not just peapri ) in the Biz.. NOT A CHANCE..
Make products I want, I'll buy..
there is no one I know who is going buy something they can't use just to support a genre..I know I'm not that rich, If you are you can buy it and send it to me ! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
Well, I do understand your point and it's as I said your choice of what to do with your owm money but at the same time; wouldn't it feel a little bad if Peach Princess went out of bussines and you wouldn't be able to buy any more bishoujo gmaes in english? That's the main reason of why we all here support Peach Princess; so that they can bring more games to the market! Of course, we aren't always happy about the games they brings to the english market (I'd be a little more happy to see more RPG's and SIMS on the english market), but we do have some small interest in nearly all of their games, even through many of Peach Princess's games wouldn't habe been a priority to us, had the Japanese market been aviable to us. And quite many of the people here have, fromw hat I've heard, brought all of their games, even if they didn't like all of them [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img].
And about pirates...well, I'll just quote Jiko from Mononoke Hime: "Peoples hearts aren't as pure as you could wish that they were".
Well to be honest, I dont like it when anyone losses there income,and I do like the poeple here at peapri. but with the market here in
the us just waiting for the game, or such to
really start the sales,that some other company might offer these kinds of products?
I really dont think with the kind we have that any offering would dissaper for too long
there is too much money to made for the company that makes it…
Hmm, you really think so? Well, in a way. you may be right, but still… The Japanese doesn’t think of the market in the same way as we do. According to a book about Japan I once read, one of the “seven golden rules of business” is “Never spend spend any money on the small fishs, go to where the large demand is!”… I think that to the Japanese companies, it seems that so far, no matter how good their gmaes are, they haven’t catched any bigger fishes yet… In Japan, they have so much greater sales for their games (there is reasons for that, of course… most people there are “used to” manga and anime and are also more tolerant when it comes to the various aspects of sex) than they have had here in west so far.
And the fact that there have been failures and still seems to be failures aren’t making things better either. If they see that no company are successful in selling their products, they will most likely believe that any attempt at creatign a market for bishoujo games in the West are doomed to fail, no matter how great games they offer and reasoning like that, they may very well refuse ANY future company who’d want to try and create a market for adult bishoujo games in the future…
I wish I could be as sure as you seems to be when it comes to this subject, but I’m noy .
Another if the “seven golden rules” is that you never should start a company if you aren’t sure of that there’s a demand for the product and profit to be made… Why shouldn’t the english companies think like that, too? i mean, if people see that there’s no demand and no profit to be made in creating a company for adult bishoujo games here int he west, who’d then want to create a company that sells adult bishoujo gmaes, then? No one, I suspect, with the exceptation of some hardcore fans of the bishoujo game genre…
And I think that some of it is just some peoples relutance to even buy any thing labeled “adult” cause they have been brain-washed in to thinking that sex is bad.
Early morning idea… rather then try to place
the games in a “adult” atmoshpere, put them in the victorra secrets the malls, womem that would never be in “adult” store… have no issue with a ling store…
I guess I can’t help but get into the fray. Anyways, I took a marketing class at the college here, and while not an expert, I learned some interesting stuff. Basically, in the old days, people lived by the rule “If you build it, they will come” so to speak. They would relase a product onto the market, and they would expect people to purchase it because its there. Anyways, that form of marketing is no longer around because people changed, and those who didn’t are gone now ;-). Basically, marketers have to identify a target audience, determine the needs of the target market, and release a product to meet those needs. Now, peach princess is targeting people who are interested in bishoujo games, and this appears to be attracting a bit of attention (It brought me here). However, it doesn’t end there. I like dating sims, RPGs, a good story, but I don’t think I’ll pick up Water Closet. Why? Because I’m not interested in the content. To me, its not satisfying my needs. Is there a reason its not on the top 3? Perhaps it isn’t what people want. I really don’t like directly opposing other peoples ideas, kumiko, but I have to agree with The Hedonist on this. If the market doesn’t accept a product, that probably doesn’t mean that the target segment needs to change, it means the product need to change. If you suddenly got 4 times more sales from all your existing products, would your lower end products turn in adequate revenue? If the answer is no, then something is wrong.
Now, admitedly, there’s probably a fair deal of hidden demand, as in your games would satisfy certain people, but those people don’t know about them. In this respect, the market indeed still has a room to grow.
Anyways, I’m getting tired of ranting. I’m sure I’ll get some interesting posts back. Now, before I get any negative feedback, I just want to say that my goal wasn’t to insult peach princess or look down on it in any way, but just to add to an intelectual discussion, in some respectable way.
Doddler
Ah, well, I suppose it would be wrong to say that I lack appreciation, and if I did not have a stunning lack of funds, I probably would purchase more of your products. And I agree with you that people should buy all your products if they want to support the industry.
What I’m trying to get at is it sounds really pushy to say ‘Don’t ask yourself it you want one of our products, but instead ask yourself if you want any of our products.’ And perhaps you should be advertising it that way, but the way it comes out is with an air of conciet and demand. I think this is because it almost in a way is saying ‘you may not want this, but you need to get it’. Think of car salesmen who try giving you ‘extra’s’. They may be perfectly legit, and be very beneficial, but you still hate it because your adding up on what people ‘need’.
I understand where your coming from, though, but someone who doesn’t could be quite offended by such a message. I think thats what The Hedonist was trying to say.
Well, talk to everyone later.
Doddler