This might be a strange question to ask on a ero board

[le_nuage]

If there were more eroge translated around the world, people would LOVE reading

Unless I get someone to help me buy it and ship it to Singapore via another method… not an option, I think

I think it’s your only option.

PS : I looked at the Singapour’s page on wikipedia and there are a lot of things that are prohibited in your country.
In particular things you see all the time in eroge lol (I don’t think you’ll see cat girls alliance in a store in Singapour).

[Yuri]

@le nuage

If there were more eroge translated around the world, people would LOVE reading

Haha… you serious?

Then again, they could do it the Jane Jensen way. She’s Queen of Western adventure games and what she did was create lots of casual games(not my type) which sorta hooked quite a few people into non-casual adventure games.

Perhaps visual novels could go that way: create some really casual stuff and see how it goes. Casual as in: not so much reading, just a bit of gaming here and there. Then, get them hooked on the experience and then, hopefully, at least a few will go for the longer stuff like eroge, or whatever the games are called(I’m still on my first full-length VN so I dunno).

Unless I get someone to help me buy it and ship it to Singapore via another method… not an option, I think

I think it’s your only option.

PS : I looked at the Singapour’s page on wikipedia and there are a lot of things that are prohibited in your country.
In particular things you see all the time in eroge lol (I don’t think you’ll see cat girls alliance in a store in Singapour).

Mmm, yes… that’s probably my only choice.

It’s terrible… ne. If and when a ban is lifted, the gov will make a huge fuss about how “open-minded” they are and spend time hyping things up to the people who’ll buy their stories.

They did that for Mass Effect 'cos their ban already caused Singapore to look even more backwards internationally. Though, I don’t think they’re going to drop their Victorian laws regarding homosexuality anytime soon. :roll: Still, I’d take a harmless romance game over some of those really vicious tv dramas we’ve got: by the time the final season has ended, almost the entire cast has died, killed or maimed themselves/one another. Some wholesome family education that is.

[papillon]

WHile I have way too much to do to try this within the next couple of years, one of the possibilities I’m considering for another VN/Adventure is to put more of the game in an NVL-style and present a whole page of text at once, rather than requiring so much clicking. All the click-click-click really wears casual players out. (Heck, it wears me out - I already adapt the style a lot, trying to cut back on ‘…’ and calibrating auto-play and putting in activities every now and then to give your eyes and hands a break…)

On the other hand, some fans definitely did like the game I already made, and changing the game design to try and appease people who hated it and might not like the idea even with changes may not work that well. Dunno. As I said, I have too many games that need to be completed first.

[Yuri]

@papillon

WHile I have way too much to do to try this within the next couple of years, one of the possibilities I’m considering for another VN/Adventure is to put more of the game in an NVL-style and present a whole page of text at once, rather than requiring so much clicking. All the click-click-click really wears casual players out. (Heck, it wears me out - I already adapt the style a lot, trying to cut back on ‘…’ and calibrating auto-play and putting in activities every now and then to give your eyes and hands a break…)

On the other hand, some fans definitely did like the game I already made, and changing the game design to try and appease people who hated it and might not like the idea even with changes may not work that well. Dunno. As I said, I have too many games that need to be completed first.

Hmmm… a whole page like a novel, huh? Hmmm… how about … the text shows up line by line or two lines at once until the whole page is filled out? Personally, I think the auto message mode in VNs is okay but not so good 'cos sometimes, the sentences are REALLY complicated and the voice-actors talk like machine guns. And even if there’s no voice acting, some sentences can take a while to understand.

Oh and wait… you’re Papillon from Adventuregamers forum. Hello from Lucifiel. waves Yeah, I’ll get Fatal Hearts after a while… just kinda bankrupt right now.

[Jinnai]

@Yuri

@Ignosco

I guess there wouldn’t be much of a market for it even if it was re-released as is - it’s over 7 years old, and the graphics were a bit below par for their time too. If the game got a major graphical overhaul, there would probably be a market though :?.

So this means they stinted a little on graphics quality so they could work on other aspects of the game? Fine with me.
Btw, Tsukihime currently sells for about US$300 and above, right?

Depends upon where you go. If you look around you can get it for $200. Usually $250-300

[Jinnai]

@papillon

WHile I have way too much to do to try this within the next couple of years, one of the possibilities I’m considering for another VN/Adventure is to put more of the game in an NVL-style and present a whole page of text at once, rather than requiring so much clicking. All the click-click-click really wears casual players out. (Heck, it wears me out - I already adapt the style a lot, trying to cut back on ‘…’ and calibrating auto-play and putting in activities every now and then to give your eyes and hands a break…)

On the other hand, some fans definitely did like the game I already made, and changing the game design to try and appease people who hated it and might not like the idea even with changes may not work that well. Dunno. As I said, I have too many games that need to be completed first.

Well…there’s 2 problems with whole page:

1. It might not reduce clicking unless you display all the text at once…
2. …and if you do it makes it kind of hard to have surprises come up, text-wise, for dramatic moments without obviously disrupting the continuity.

[Yuri]

@Jinnai

Depends upon where you go. If you look around you can get it for $200. Usually $250-300

… … That’s still incredibly pricey. Oh well, I’ll pass on it.

[Ojamajo_LimePie]

@bamboo

Personally, I’m not that much interested in non-ero games. I’m not going to stay up till three AM, reading screen after screen until my eyeballs ache without a reward

Personally, I consider a well-told story its own reward. I’m also willing to bet that Ever17 would keep you up till all-hours, even without ero content. Then again, it’s one of the best visuals novels ever made, so it might be an exception to a rule.

[papillon]

I probably wouldn’t do whole screens for the entire game - conversations with other characters, at least, would need to switch back into the more familiar sprite-and-dialog-box in order to do facial expressions. But background information, descriptions, viewpoint character musing to herself… all sorts of non-talking things can be done like an illustrated storybook. Text would appear either the whole page at once or letter-by-letter until the page is full (this would be an option for the player to set) but without clicking until the end of page, unless it’s really, really important for drama purposes.

I’d have to prototype it to see how this would work, and as mentioned, I just don’t have time at the moment. It would make pacing different certainly but that’s not necessarily bad.

[Jinnai]

@Yuri

@Jinnai

Depends upon where you go. If you look around you can get it for $200. Usually $250-300

… … That’s still incredibly pricey. Oh well, I’ll pass on it.

It is. But for a computer/video game collector like me, it’s probably worth it. I don’t see Type-Moon releasing an updated version of Tsukihime (they’ve said they’ve moved beyond it, though they have also not ruled out a sequel). Thus the rarity and cult fascination will likely keep or inflate the price.

If I bought it, it would only be Tsukibako.

[Yuri]

@Jinnai

@Yuri

@Jinnai

Depends upon where you go. If you look around you can get it for $200. Usually $250-300

… … That’s still incredibly pricey. Oh well, I’ll pass on it.

It is. But for a computer/video game collector like me, it’s probably worth it. I don’t see Type-Moon releasing an updated version of Tsukihime (they’ve said they’ve moved beyond it, though they have also not ruled out a sequel). Thus the rarity and cult fascination will likely keep or inflate the price.

If I bought it, it would only be Tsukibako.

Ooh that’s true, you would really want it, huh? Yup, definitely sounds like a good collection provided said item is in great condition.

[bamboo]

@Ojamajo_LimePie

@bamboo

Personally, I’m not that much interested in non-ero games. I’m not going to stay up till three AM, reading screen after screen until my eyeballs ache without a reward

Personally, I consider a well-told story its own reward. I’m also willing to bet that Ever17 would keep you up till all-hours, even without ero content. Then again, it’s one of the best visuals novels ever made, so it might be an exception to a rule.

Think so? I’m always happy to hear recommendations from people. I’ve found most of my favorite games that way.

[Yuri]

@bamboo

@Ojamajo_LimePie

@bamboo

Personally, I’m not that much interested in non-ero games. I’m not going to stay up till three AM, reading screen after screen until my eyeballs ache without a reward

Personally, I consider a well-told story its own reward. I’m also willing to bet that Ever17 would keep you up till all-hours, even without ero content. Then again, it’s one of the best visuals novels ever made, so it might be an exception to a rule.

Think so? I’m always happy to hear recommendations from people. I’ve found most of my favorite games that way.

I can back that up. Ever17 is my first commercial VN game that I’m playing… it’s really good. There’re so many whys and whats that you’d be kept pondering about them and trying to figure them out. And btw, the various details, etc. flow more smoothly than some other games I’ve tried: which struggled to heap together various details by piling on book after book or having text-dump dialogues that revolve around repeating the same concept for over 20 lines.

[Yuri]

@Infoceptor

Honestly, i really don’t care for ero content in visual novels. But i get annoyed when stuff like that gets censored out or isn’t included when its appropriate. Its just like a debate on cutting violence in video games. If its logical and makes sense in the context of the game, then why not? Removing it is only going to hurt quality at that point. Sex is obviously one of the logical ends of a relationship, so i’d feel strange if something like that was removed.

As for visual novels selling more, well, to be honest, until a year or two ago, i didn’t even have the faintest idea they existed. I guess i just lucked out one day, i was browsing around for a new anime to watch and Shingetsutan Tsukihime caught my eye. Needless to say i eventually found out about the eroge and here i am today. To be honest, its something you have to play for yourself to really appreciate. From an outsider’s perspective, it just seems like nothing more then a cheap thrill. So if you can push any h-games onto friends, don’t hesitate to do so .

Also, if you never played Tsukihime before, there is absolutely no excuse not to. Its probably one of the best visual novels out there, translated or non-translated. At this point, it really is 7+ years old and is out of print. Buying the game for $250+ from someone isn’t going to support Type-Moon so doing so for non-collector reasons is pointless. I hope you can see where i’m getting at. If you haven’t played it yet, make it a priority to do so. I don’t think you will regret it.

I understand your take. However, I can no longer enjoy a product without having paid for it first. :?

Meh, still… for me, I’d feel a little pissed if a bit of sex and violence was cut but I can imagine it myself.

Btw, I think that terms like “best” and “quality” are subjective and depend on your likes and dislikes. And some have stated that they felt FSN to be far better than Tsuki but who knows, eh?That said… I’ve got about 2000 or more hours of gaming time ahead of me so I don’t think I’ll get to this game right now. :lol: I still have Witcher(need to wait for extended version), Eschalon(need to finish this), Ever17 and… everything else I just ordered: Piece of wonder, animamundi, yo jin bo, hourglass of summer, phantom of inferno, simon the sorceror 1 and 2, etc., etc. And oh the stuff I promised to order: Fatal hearts and a few more titles.

Meaning it’d likely be somwhere next year or something before I’m done. That is: if I quit my job and become a full-time otaku. :lol:

[Baldo]

@Jinnai

@Yuri

@Jinnai

If you look around you can get it for $200. Usually $250-300

… … That’s still incredibly pricey. Oh well, I’ll pass on it.

It is. But for a computer/video game collector like me, it’s probably worth it.

…However, I still don’t understand HOW someone can pay $6250 for an used, Limited Edition release of this stuff :shock: :roll: .

http://www.paletweb.com/selectpage.asp?code=01966

It must be a virus .

[Ojamajo_LimePie]

@Baldo

…However, I still don’t understand HOW someone can pay $6250 for an used, Limited Edition release of this stuff :shock: :roll: .

I’m assuming you left out a decimal point there, because $6,250 would be mind-boggling. That’s practically my entire yearly income!

[Ojamajo_LimePie]

@MrBiggens

@Ojamajo_LimePie

@Baldo

…However, I still don’t understand HOW someone can pay $6250 for an used, Limited Edition release of this stuff :shock: :roll: .

I’m assuming you left out a decimal point there, because $6,250 would be mind-boggling. That’s practically my entire yearly income!

lol u serious?

Yup. I’m disabled and on Social Security. The government doesn’t pay much, but I do get some food stamps, rental assistance, and my medical bills are covered. I have about $50 to spend on fun stuff every month, but that’s it.

[Yuri]

Omg… I just got the Tsugumi - Sora bad ending… wahhhhh… they really know how to toy with your heart. ;__;

[Yuri]

@Cynder

Sadly I have not played as many non ero games as I would like mostly due to barely having the spare cash to buy the ero games I want Never the less I would like to add my own recommendation of Phantom of Inferno to the many others already here. The story is amazingly deep and emotional which is even more incredible when you consider the subject matter. While I don’t want to spoil it for those who have not yet played I will say I was quite torn when reaching the last choice of Claudia’s path and even more so when I played it again ^^

Oh I just ordered it and hope it reaches my house soon. From what I know, 'cos some notorious 9/11 related terrorist escaped from prison… so not sure how flights will be affected since all mail is sent by plane, no?

Btw, anyone knows how much of Higurashi has been translated? I’m willing to buy the original game cds as long as there’s a patch somewhere.