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Originally posted by Gambit:
Ok i DO own a buisness so i do somewhat understand the legistics of what peapri is doing, and to say they are doing it wrong would be just stupid..
I hope you weren't refering to me there. After all, I just said that I didn't agree with how they've done certain things, I didn't say they were wrong in their decisions. There's a difference.
I was more than a bit frustrated when I made that earlier post… But it’s been building for a couple years so you’ll have to forgive my rant…
I can understand game delays, really I can… Heck I’ve been a alpha & beta tester for a whole bunch of both large & small games… Not to mention trying to run a project on more than one occasion (though no one was getting paid… Think mod, but not quite…
In all cases I tended to have better updates than Peach Princess does though… Updates used to be rahter good (mentioned if a set back happened & other things that give an impression of ‘time to completion’). Also from my experience once you’ve alpha’d/beta’d a game of a ‘type’ before you can tell how much a ‘snag’ will set you back…
I’m just trying to argue for better information other than these recent weak “Yeah we are still trying to make these game thingies” type of comments… Maybe they need a sales guy to do updates? At least then we would hear vague ‘market speak’ to tide us over…
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Originally posted by Gambit:
Ok i DO own a buisness so i do somewhat understand the legistics of what peapri is doing, and to say they are doing it wrong would be just stupid.. first of all when your a small buisness (10 employees if that) its SO HARD to make changes, its impossible to rush things... the only thing you can hope for is that the people that keep you going keep coming back.If peachprincess says they will get these games out asap i believe em... even if thats X-mas this year i know exactly how hard it is to do buisness from the bottom up.
With that said, im sure peachprincess is doing all they can afford to do (which im sure wouldnt buy dinner for a week, for 1 person) what they are doing now im sure they are doing with the hopes these games sell enough to get more food on the table (if you know what i mean with this anology)
I though do not see any logic. Release that you are working on the sequel to the most popular game (of that time), and then release two games that have never been talked on, then put the original on a backburner for a year, letting other games come out, then say we got it (after much heavier complaints), and after a while, they get to testing, but it is even taking too long, in the meantime, taking games and just releasing them. Basically, I'll buy other things later, but I -want- XC2. That's where my savings is tied right now.
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Well, he accidentally mentioned that merger before. Maybe, he has now some troubles of distinguishing between them.Of cause, it could be also regarded as one of those valuable synergy-effects. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
Yeah, could be. Poor Nandemonai-san, then :3.
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
They're far more spectacular. How does that work for you?
You mean how the Holy-Evil powwers works for me? :3
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Originally posted by Shilar:
I though do not see any logic. Release that you are working on the sequel to the most popular game (of that time), and then release two games that have never been talked on, then put the original on a backburner for a year, letting other games come out, then say we got it (
This part of this whole argument still bugs me. From when I first started lurking on the boards (i.e. I've been reading the boards for awhile before I gave in and started posting), XC2 was a possibility but wasn't announced as an actual aquisition for awhile whereas Snow Drop, TCI, and LMM were. So I dug around the older threads:
http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000062.html
If you read Kumiko's response, it says X-Change was being put out "in order to possibly offer X-Change 2, the sequel, sometime later on..." Also, in the later response, Kumiko's talking about how X-Change is almost ready, while Snow Drop should be ready by the end of the "next month".
Plus there's also the oldest newsletter announcement (Jan 2001) we have available with no mention of X-Change 2:
http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000001.html
Now, considering that a game's conversion takes at least a few months, nothing indicates to me that X-Change 2 was ever part of the initial group of games and was dropped in favor of Snow Drop, TCI or LMM development. Granted, you might have inside information, but for most of the rest of us, we have no idea where your 2 year wait mark for XC2 is coming from.
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Originally posted by ekylo:
This part of this whole argument still bugs me. From when I first started lurking on the boards (i.e. I've been reading the boards for awhile before I gave in and started posting), XC2 was a possibility but wasn't announced as an actual aquisition for awhile whereas Snow Drop, TCI, and LMM were. So I dug around the older threads:http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000062.html
If you read Kumiko's response, it says X-Change was being put out "in order to possibly offer X-Change 2, the sequel, sometime later on..." Also, in the later response, Kumiko's talking about how X-Change is almost ready, while Snow Drop should be ready by the end of the "next month".
Plus there's also the oldest newsletter announcement (Jan 2001) we have available with no mention of X-Change 2:
http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000001.html
Now, considering that a game's conversion takes at least a few months, nothing indicates to me that X-Change 2 was ever part of the initial group of games and was dropped in favor of Snow Drop, TCI or LMM development. Granted, you might have inside information, but for most of the rest of us, we have no idea where your 2 year wait mark for XC2 is coming from.
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… it looks like, someone has silenced him …
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
... it looks like, someone has silenced him ... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
Ack, I had a whole list of stuff too. It got erased.
Basically, I was trying to state the history of XC2, which began here: http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000014.html
Also note in the newsletter that Brave Soul is not in this newsletter as current work.
On 12/16 (http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000026.html)XC2 was scheduled for Fall/Winter 2002 release, and stated the preorder would be up soon.
On 1/20/2002 (http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000030.html) Production was suspended til 5/28/2002 (http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000040.html), when they announced that translation was complete.
6/11/2002 (http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000041.html) marked the day it went to preorder, That getting close to one year from where we are (Almost 10 months to be precise). This is why I am asking to sell the product. Heck, I may have to re-pre-order it cause the credit card I ordered it on has even changed!
All I ask is PeaPri give us a chance to test it. Some of us even have XC2 (I bought it during the time they suspended it, and wore my XC2 bracelet to A-kon in a show of support for the product), and would be happy to tell them the problems.
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
... it looks like, someone has silenced him ... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
Well, I wasn't particularly trying to silence anyone. Like I said, it just bugged me. I havn't been here since the begining (but still earlier than my Oct. 2001 date in my profile would suggest) but the time frame, dates, and all the info I had wasn't supporting what Shilar was saying. That's why I dug through some of the old threads to see if I had missed something or if anything was said from before I started hanging out here. (And it also got me wondering to what happened to some of the people from way back then...)
I don't have a problem with people having different opinions or reaching different conclusions than I have, but if I feel there's an inconsistency, I'll probably call them on it. Maybe I missed something that they saw. It allows me to learn as well as also helping to educate and inform others.
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Originally posted by ekylo:
Well, I wasn't particularly trying to silence anyone.
He was referring to the fact that Shilar accidentally made an empty post.
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
He was referring to the fact that Shilar accidentally made an empty post.
... and instead only repeated the post, he wanted to reply to.
I am working on the final English edit this weekend.
Made in DNA
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
He was referring to the fact that Shilar accidentally made an empty post.
I know what he was refering to. As annoying as it is, I have been reading all the posts in this thread (Shesh, I think we've touched on most of our regular "hot topics" in this thread except piracy!). But Unicorn-san had said that "...someone has silenced him..." and "someone" was either me or Shilar himself. I assumed it was me.
And Shilar, in that case, what two games were you talking about earlier? You had said that Peapri was "...working on the sequel to the most popular game (of that time), and then release two games that have never been talked on..." Using the August 2001 newsletter for your starting point for "history of XC2", it shows that both Water Closet and Tokimeki Check-In were out and the only other release since then has been Critical Point. Unless you're talking about both versions of Critical Point as being the two games. Now if you're talking just titles in production, then it makes a little more sense, but when you use the term "release" that usually means the game is out not "being translated".
Also, August 2001 is less than 2 years ago. That's why you were also confusing a lot of us when you said "...the announcement that they were to produce (the) translation was over 2 years ago." Over 2 years ago puts us in the time frame of just before X-Change's release. (X-Change was shipping early March 2001.) And also when you were saying that "...at one time they decided Snow Drop would sell better than XC2, so they put that out", that again put us into the first half of 2001. (Snow Drop was May 2001). That's what I mean about the inconsistencies I was seeing and that was what was bugging the heck out of me.
*blinks* And what final English edit are you talking about, Made in DNA-san?
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Originally posted by ekylo:
But Unicorn-san had said that "...someone has silenced him..." and "someone" was either me or Shilar himself. I assumed it was me.
Nope. I meant "someone" with all the -nonspecificness you can muster up, including an inmate stabbing him in the back or those friendly men, binding his hands behind his back and thus disabling him to complete his post.
sigh Fine, I’ll just drop my preorder, and translate and make a new version of XC2 myself hmm? Making it in Java would be very easy, or even Delphi. Then PeaPri can eat my shorts, and I’ll buy my Adult Anime at Fry’s or the local adult store (which is now selling them). Then you guys can just go and wait for Brave Soul eh?
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Originally posted by Shilar:
*sigh* Fine, I'll just drop my preorder, and translate and make a new version of XC2 myself hmm? Making it in Java would be very easy, or even Delphi.
That's your choice, although the localization of any game isn't "very easy" at all, even using Java or Delphi as you say. (Unless you're going to start completely from scratch.) Even Microsoft has a rather fair sized staff that works on getting their software to work on the different OS Language versions.
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Then PeaPri can eat my shorts, and I'll buy my Adult Anime at Fry's or the local adult store (which is now selling them). Then you guys can just go and wait for Brave Soul eh?
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Originally posted by Shilar:
[B] *sigh* Fine, I'll just drop my preorder, and translate and make a new version of XC2 myself hmm? Making it in Java would be very easy, or even Delphi. Then PeaPri can eat my shorts, and I'll buy my Adult Anime at Fry's or the local adult store (which is now selling them). Then you guys can just go and wait for Brave Soul eh[B]
Actully, in a way, PP would apprepicate that. Kumiko once said before that they'd be GRATEFUL to anyone who came up with a lightning-fast way of releasing a japanese game into english, a way that yould require a minum amount of work and time. For now, they are jsut doing mky best, but if you came up with a way to do it fast and easy, they might become quite grateful [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. Nandemonai-san has actually some plans like that...
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Originally posted by ekylo:*blinks* And what final English edit are you talking about, Made in DNA-san?
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The official release.
Made in DNA
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Originally posted by Made in DNA:
The official release.Made in DNA
I'm assuming you're talking about XC2. Sorry, it just threw me for a second. I didn't remember till later that you're part of J-List. Now if you'll excuse me again...
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