Bible Black game

I’m gonna have to argue the anti-dark titles from a certain point of view. Watch out: Narg is gonna ramble now. :stuck_out_tongue:

The reason why a lot of hentai is the dark stuff, is because the pure stuff gets non-hentai conversions. For example you have general market anime for Da Capo, To Heart, Comic Party, Tsukihime, etc.

Hardcore series like Midnight Sleazy Train or Black Bible use the dark sex as an integrated part of the story. While a series like Tsukihime and FATE has sex as a factor in the plot, it isn’t so entrenched that it can’t be removed without drastically altering the premise. As an example, MinDeaD BlooD or Gore Screaming Show loses a lot of itself when dropping sex - even if the said action takes place “off camera” or whatnot. Crazy as it sounds, the violent sex is that important.

Since the “pure hearted” stuff is released by groups like ADV and Funimation, that leaves companies like Kitty Media to cater towards the niche group that prefers the “evil hearted” stuff.

From the Japanese producer prospective: why release a hentai OVA of To Heart 2, when the money can be spent to mass market an “all ages” version that will make more $$$ for the investors? Thus you won’t get a hentai anime of To Heart 2. On the other hand, why make a non-hentai OVA of Midnight Sleazy Train 2, when the targeted market for the game got it for the hentai - not the story. While it does have a good plot, the plot itself was just icing: the meat and potatoes was the train molestation. Hence you’re not going to get a non-hentai version, because it would alienate the original target base.

Thus I see nothing wrong with Kitty Media releasing the dark stuff over the pure hearted, simply because it’s the dark stuff that sold best. However, you can’t really blame the Western license holders of the anime such as Da Capo, To Heart, and so forth - for not releasing the b-games for them, because they don’t want to deal with hentai. Had there not been a non-hentai version of the titles, they wouldn’t have even bothered. Not only this, but the non-adult games were typically released on Playstation 2: and SONY of America ruthlessly crushes 2D game releases for that system (and the PS3 for that matter).

You’re forgotting there’s still one more genre besides dark-themed games and pure-love games, the sex-party games.

Sex-party games suffer from the same problem than dark-themed games, you can’t take off the sex scenes without affect greatly the (little) story they have. So they can’t be converted to non-h anime too.

The best choice is turning them into H-anime shows, just like the dark-themed games. The only difference between them is they don’t need rape/gangrape to excuse every sex scene happening in it.

That’s why i rather prefer to watch sex-party h-animes than dark-themed h-animes. So if they can’t translate pure-love hgames, why not translating sex-party hgames?

There’s so much h-anime based on sex-party h-games with little to no rape in it already released in english. Just to name a fews, we have:

*ANGELIUM;
*BEAT ANGEL ESCALAYER;
*ARISA;
*MILK JUNKIES 1 & 2;
*TSUMA X TSUMA 1, 2 & 3;
*TSUMAMIGUI 1;
*BOIN;
*ANE TO BOIN;
*DARLING;

If they want, they could release the HGame versions, too.

Good point.

My only guess is that the dark titles sold better than even the sex-parties. As far as hentai goes, Black Bible was a mega hit for North America. Since that was a major seller, they start experimenting with what they know (or rather, should) work when “expanding” the market. So my assumption is, their porting the original eroge, of their top selling hentai anime titles. If those sell well, it makes sense they’d dip in other buckets… like the sex-parties.

So go buy the dark stuff! :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

[ 04-19-2007, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: Nargrakhan ]

You must not have read much about Bible Black, much less the review a few posts up.

It is quite sad to say, but it is rather true. Dark titles far outnumber lighter titles in popularity. I know this from experience also. Just with my two current fanfictions on fanfiction.net alone I’ve seen a great deal of difference. My Elfen Lied Fanfic though very gruesome is far more popular than my Yuffie Fanfiction, though it too is popular.

I like the dark stuff myself. :slight_smile:

Still… what most Westerns have seen translated, is child’s play: Legend of the Overfiend is little more than Hello Kitty to the newer, better stuff. :smiley:

It’s amazing what normal household tools can be used for… to say nothing about tentacles. :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh I quite agree. Most of what I’ve seen myself is not nearly as horrible as what I’ve imagined, or have written about. Now I still don’t have the guts to write the worst of it, but personally that’s a good thing

Peter, did you saying “Darling” ? As in the same “Darling” that was released in an OVA that America got? I’d second that getting translated! (I really liked the OVA, lots and lots of cosplay!) Plus, it was kinda cute, a husband and wife team… something rarely seen in the H-world… unless it’s another man’s wife…

-Nicole

That’s right. This H-OVA is based on the old H-SLG game DARLING from the now closed HGame maker Cherrysoft.

You can find more info here and here.

When i got the time, i think i will try to find others h-games origns for h-animes released in english. :slight_smile:

Me second.
But unfortunately, i doubt that will happen anytime soon. :frowning:

Fist of all, they will need to release more romantic/less rape H-animes and STOP giving them such stupid tittles!

I think even those sex-party games like MILK JUNKIES would be a big plus, if compared with those stupid LET’S-RAPE-THEM-ALL games.

[ 04-19-2007, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: Peter Gilis ]

I’m gonna have to argue the anti-dark titles from a certain point of view. Watch out: Narg is gonna ramble now. :stuck_out_tongue:

The reason why a lot of hentai is the dark stuff, is because the pure stuff gets non-hentai conversions. For example you have general market anime for Da Capo, To Heart, Comic Party, Tsukihime, etc.

Hardcore series like Midnight Sleazy Train or Black Bible use the dark sex as an integrated part of the story. While a series like Tsukihime and FATE has sex as a factor in the plot, it isn’t so entrenched that it can’t be removed without drastically altering the premise. As an example, MinDeaD BlooD or Gore Screaming Show loses a lot of itself when dropping sex - even if the said action takes place “off camera” or whatnot. Crazy as it sounds, the violent sex is that important.

Since the “pure hearted” stuff is released by groups like ADV and Funimation, that leaves companies like Kitty Media to cater towards the niche group that prefers the “evil hearted” stuff.

From the Japanese producer prospective: why release a hentai OVA of To Heart 2, when the money can be spent to mass market an “all ages” version that will make more $$$ for the investors? Thus you won’t get a hentai anime of To Heart 2. On the other hand, why make a non-hentai OVA of Midnight Sleazy Train 2, when the targeted market for the game got it for the hentai - not the story. While it does have a good plot, the plot itself was just icing: the meat and potatoes was the train molestation. Hence you’re not going to get a non-hentai version, because it would alienate the original target base.

Thus I see nothing wrong with Kitty Media releasing the dark stuff over the pure hearted, simply because it’s the dark stuff that sold best. However, you can’t really blame the Western license holders of the anime such as Da Capo, To Heart, and so forth - for not releasing the b-games for them, because they don’t want to deal with hentai. Had there not been a non-hentai version of the titles, they wouldn’t have even bothered. Not only this, but the non-adult games were typically released on Playstation 2: and SONY of America ruthlessly crushes 2D game releases for that system (and the PS3 for that matter).

You’re forgotting there’s still one more genre besides dark-themed games and pure-love games, the sex-party games.

Sex-party games suffer from the same problem than dark-themed games, you can’t take off the sex scenes without affect greatly the (little) story they have. So they can’t be converted to non-h anime too.

The best choice is turning them into H-anime shows, just like the dark-themed games. The only difference between them is they don’t need rape/gangrape to excuse every sex scene happening in it.

That’s why i rather prefer to watch sex-party h-animes than dark-themed h-animes. So if they can’t translate pure-love hgames, why not translating sex-party hgames?

There’s so much h-anime based on sex-party h-games with little to no rape in it already released in english. Just to name a fews, we have:

*ANGELIUM;
*BEAT ANGEL ESCALAYER;
*ARISA;
*MILK JUNKIES 1 & 2;
*TSUMA X TSUMA 1, 2 & 3;
*TSUMAMIGUI 1;
*BOIN;
*ANE TO BOIN;
*DARLING;

If they want, they could release the HGame versions, too.

Good point.

My only guess is that the dark titles sold better than even the sex-parties. As far as hentai goes, Black Bible was a mega hit for North America. Since that was a major seller, they start experimenting with what they know (or rather, should) work when “expanding” the market. So my assumption is, their porting the original eroge, of their top selling hentai anime titles. If those sell well, it makes sense they’d dip in other buckets… like the sex-parties.

So go buy the dark stuff! :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

[ 04-19-2007, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: Nargrakhan ]

You must not have read much about Bible Black, much less the review a few posts up.

It is quite sad to say, but it is rather true. Dark titles far outnumber lighter titles in popularity. I know this from experience also. Just with my two current fanfictions on fanfiction.net alone I’ve seen a great deal of difference. My Elfen Lied Fanfic though very gruesome is far more popular than my Yuffie Fanfiction, though it too is popular.

I like the dark stuff myself. :slight_smile:

Still… what most Westerns have seen translated, is child’s play: Legend of the Overfiend is little more than Hello Kitty to the newer, better stuff. :smiley:

It’s amazing what normal household tools can be used for… to say nothing about tentacles. :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh I quite agree. Most of what I’ve seen myself is not nearly as horrible as what I’ve imagined, or have written about. Now I still don’t have the guts to write the worst of it, but personally that’s a good thing

Peter, did you saying “Darling” ? As in the same “Darling” that was released in an OVA that America got? I’d second that getting translated! (I really liked the OVA, lots and lots of cosplay!) Plus, it was kinda cute, a husband and wife team… something rarely seen in the H-world… unless it’s another man’s wife…

-Nicole

That’s right. This H-OVA is based on the old H-SLG game DARLING from the now closed HGame maker Cherrysoft.

You can find more info here and here.

When i got the time, i think i will try to find others h-games origns for h-animes released in english. :slight_smile: