I myself would rather see more releases than them worrying more about removing censorship. If the game is good than I am not going to fret about some mosaic and would rather see it translated and put out here in the US than to NEVER see it at all
If the story is good like Chain, Kango, ect than I can deal with censorship if it’s more of a photo album show than a game like DOR than yes I wouldn’t want to see censorship since that about all their was to that one.
How do you others feel about censorship? Should a game being released for us be also based on if the original graphics exist to remove censorship from it to be a concern?
To me censorship in games is not a big deal. It does not distract from the over all gaming experirence. A prime example would be CP I have both versions, and I found no real difference between the two.
Personally, I don’t think censorship would be that big a deal (though it might bother me a little). However, I have to agree that to the majority of buyers, having no censorship is important. If only because most westerners are used to uncensored “porn”. So in order to reach a larger audience, I think most games will need to have the censorship removed (this is probably the only industry where that is true… everywhere else it’s the other way around.) However, I hope that if a title gets alot of hype, but the original art can’t be obtained, they’ll still give it a shot and release it (since this most likely happen to the one title we most want )
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Originally posted by DragonLord:
A prime example would be CP I have both versions, and I found no real difference between the two.
... in that case, you have missed the demos in the L.E., that were not part of the R.E. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by molitar:
If the game is good than I am not going to fret about some mosaic and would rather see it translated and put out here in the US than to NEVER see it at all [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Well, some weeks ago, I would have simply agreed.
However, that was before I started playing "Yakin Jyanto" from Mink. This game has the most terrible kind of mosaic, I ever encountered: A really BIG circular spot covering the center of the screen and hiding everything between the knees and the navel. The screen looked like a die, showing the 'one'. I usually don't mind mosaics either, but this time, they got a bit overboard...
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Originally posted by Faust:
(since this most likely happen to the one title we most want [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/mad.gif[/img] )
Which title might that be? I don't think, you ever participated in the discussion about 'Dokusen'.
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Which title might that be? I don't think, you ever participated in the discussion about 'Dokusen'.
Dokusen... *drool*
I don't care about mosaics either, as long as they don't overdo it (and proof of that is that I have the CP LE, and I also haven't used the patch for removing the mosaics in Kana [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]). But, considering that the limited edition of CP still's around, I think that westerners prefers adult bishoujo games without mosaics. Still, in the case of CP, there IS another choice... Had there been just CP LE, it might have sold better, then, for many fans I've talked with would rather see games with mosaics than no games at all.
I don’t mind mosaic. In fact, I’m so used to them the rare time I play an unmosaiced game, I found it… weird.
The reason I think most Westerners prefer their game unmosaiced is that IMO they still attached much more importance to the sex scenes than to the story. AFAIK, to most of them, only the sex parts are of interest…
I think there is truth in that, since there were some people that expressed their distate for the explicit depiction of private parts and penetration, i.e. if it were invisible or not clearly visible, they seemed to be ok with it.
Well to me it is really a matter of what people want on a game, some people just buy H-games for the uncensored pictures, other buy it for gameplay and story. I myself play games that are censored before like Kanon for example, the game is exceptionally good because of its story so even uncensored wouldn’t matter much to me. Like I said, it is matter of what people want in a game.
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Which title might that be? I don't think, you ever participated in the discussion about 'Dokusen'.
Oh I don't know what title it is yet... but I'm sure it will happen eventually (or has already, apparently). You know how it works...
Anyway, my games came today!!! So I think I will go play them now.
quote:The problem IMO is that most people don't even imagine there can be a very good story in adult games, so used are they to "cheap porn with no content" movies. So they automatically equal "adult content" = "cheap porn" = "no story". Therefore, the people wanting a story in their game wouldn't buy bishoujo games (since they're sure it can not have a good story); while the people buying them are the ones who were expecting to find sex only and play it only for the sex.
Originally posted by mt423:
Well to me it is really a matter of what people want on a game, some people just buy H-games for the uncensored pictures, other buy it for gameplay and story. I myself play games that are censored before like Kanon for example, the game is exceptionally good because of its story so even uncensored wouldn't matter much to me. Like I said, it is matter of what people want in a game.
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Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
Therefore, the people wanting a story in their game wouldn't buy bishoujo games (since they're sure it can not have a good story); while the people buying them are the ones who were expecting to find sex only and play it only for the sex.
I agree completely.
That's the peculiar thing about games like "X-Change" being localized instead of games like "Air". That really doesn't help about this attitude much, but satisfies an existing demand and thus at least has a chance to pay off the efforts (if I now put on my economic glasses).
Still, it's a pity that there is no noticeable bigger demand for quality titles than porn titles...
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Still, it's a pity that there is no noticeable bigger demand for quality titles than porn titles...
Hmm, I wonder if Kana so far has sold better than those "games like XC"?
There's obsviosly a demand for quality titles, but how much effect would such demands have?
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Hmm, I wonder if Kana so far has sold better than those "games like XC"?
I admit, I am also curious, if "Kana" sold better than the other titles of G-Collections, because if that's the case, the demand is showing a development in the direction of quality-story titles.
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
There's obsviosly a demand for quality titles, but how much effect would such demands have?
That's, why I told of a "noticeable bigger demand for quality titles than porn titles".
I have to stop before I sound like Kumiko-sama, but a noticeable and unsatisfied demand is a so-called "cash-cow". (At least, if the demand could be satisfied by making some profit. That's where "noticeable bigger" kicks in.)
quote:The second reason I found (by hanging in some BBS/MLs/chats/etc.) is that people who would be interested into story over mindless sex usually expect the best games possible ("Air", "Kanon", Kiminozo", etc.) and just won't accept low-quality or average-quality story games... So, I'm even more glad "Kana" was released! ^_^
Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
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There's obsviosly a demand for quality titles, but how much effect would such demands have?
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
I admit, I am also curious, if "Kana" sold better than the other titles of G-Collections, because if that's the case, the demand is showing a development in the direction of quality-story titles.
Well, as I said, I'm wondering the same, but at the same time, I suspect that Kana is their best-selling title. But I may be wrong here; G-collections chepest title is DOR, so that might as well be their best-selling game. If that's the case, it's a disaster -_-.
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That's, why I told of a "[b]noticeable bigger demand for quality titles than porn titles". I have to stop before I sound like Kumiko-sama, but a noticeable and unsatisfied demand is a so-called "cash-cow". (At least, if the demand could be satisfied by making some profit. That's where "noticeable bigger" kicks in.)[/b]
True. Hmm, I know that there's those who'd be happy to see a game like Kanon or To Heart here, ieven if it was the adult version. The problem is, that customers of the english market of bishoujog maes, both adult and non-adult, isn't really used to make demands like that, you know, They're more used to that a company or two picks the game up, and that's it. I've so far never seen any voting polls or signing forms at the net where they say things like "If you want to see to heart, vote here/sign this form!". Besides, what _english_ company would they make demands to? I'm sure that PP has received a lot of e-mails where people have asked them to release titles with better stories (To Heart, various Aliceoft titles, and so on..), but we all know that PP isn't able to release anything like that, neither is most other companies who release games here in the west too... Well, you all knows the problem.
And a market where the demand keeps getting no answers is likely to get problems, too. There's a lot of demands for adult bishoujo RPG's, for example, but despite that, we haven't seen any answer to that one yet. It'll be interesting to see if Brave Soul will be as popular (according to the sales figures) as the demand that there is (or seems to be)...
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Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
The second reason I found (by hanging in some BBS/MLs/chats/etc.) is that people who would be interested into story over mindless sex usually expect the best games possible ("Air", "Kanon", Kiminozo", etc.) and just won't accept low-quality or average-quality story games... So, I'm even more glad "Kana" was released! ^_^
Are you implying, "Kana" is only low- or average-quality?
In that case, I would be pretty happy with average-quality, after all...
(BTW: I was also happy with "Kango Shicyauzo" that would in that matter perhaps been graded rock-bottom-quality...)
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Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
The second reason I found (by hanging in some BBS/MLs/chats/etc.) is that people who would be interested into story over mindless sex usually expect the best games possible ("Air", "Kanon", Kiminozo", etc.) and just won't accept low-quality or average-quality story games... So, I'm even more glad "Kana" was released! ^_^
That's, just as you say, one of the problems of the market, they want to have the very best, but that isn't possible yet. As much as people here may dislike Kumiko's talk about this, she was correct when saying that we really can't except bigger titles to get released before the small ones have gottten released. It's like climbing a ladder, I'd say. You have to take one step at time, but you can't jump to the highest part of the ladder at once (a few might be able to do that, but very few ones. In bussines, only really "big guys" are able to do that).
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Originally posted by Faust:
Oh I don't know what title it is yet...
Here: http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000262.html
Read it slowy [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]. Most of the adresses in there have expired, but you could find the Dokusen movie demo at Ruf's new page. and if there's anything about that thread you're wondering about, feel free to ask ^_^.
But the problem with that game is that Will has lost the sexual scenes CG to that game, as well as the orignal game data, I think, which means that while they could rebuild the game, that could cost an ungodly amount of money (and time), and it's also impossible to redraw the CG's without the original CG's which means that the mosaics would have to remain in an english version of the game.