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Originally posted by Benoit:
No matter what you said, Italicus, you did come back once to say that you were proposed an article about V-Mate.
So what? I'm not a traitor that acts behind someone's back like they did to us.
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Originally posted by Italicus:
[img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] Now, who's talking about trolling? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] Don't take my wrong steps you too...
Assuming I'm interpreting this ambiguous statement correctly...how exactly was I trolling, again? Please, enlighten me.
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You bring up the $50 issue. I take it you mean how American translation companies force the Japanese prices down to $50 instead of $70-$80? Actually, I'm all for that. I can say with certainty that I wouldn't pay $80 for a b-game unless it was something like Kimi Ga Nozumu Eien. Even then I'd be hesitant. I'd refuse to pay that much even for most RPG's. Also, forcing the prices down is a standard part of localization for the gaming industry in general. If they didn't do that, the games simply wouldn't sell. The Japanese game makers would hardly benefit from that, now would they?
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Originally posted by Italicus:
[img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] Obviously you didn't understand. I was referring to the 50$ issue in Crescendo. To Yuka Otowa doing enjo kyousai for 50 bucks. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
This way.
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Anyway, Peter, where's the list you talked ont the top of this topic?
Just every link i gave above show the average score for every company. But they are in japanese, so you need web translator.
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Originally posted by Italicus:
This way.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
(Aside: I didn't pursue Yuka's path in Crescendo. Her personality didn't appeal to me at all. I've also heard her path is the most brutal.)
You skipped Yuka just because of that? Well, it’s your loss. It’s not like it’s Virgin Roster or anything, and skipping a character just because you don’t like her personality seems like a waste of money to me, since you are shortening the game’s life. Besides, if you don’t like her, you can just say “I hate you” when you get the chance later in the game. Of course, you’ll get the bad ending if you do.
Personally, I liked Yuka’s story, even if I didn’t think much of her personality to begin with. Sure, it might be a little unpleasant at times, but her good ending is just as satisfying as several of the others (maybe even moreso). That’s all I’ll say without spoiling too much.
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I have no idea what you're talking about.(Aside: I didn't pursue Yuka's path in Crescendo. Her personality didn't appeal to me at all. I've also heard her path is the most brutal.)
Once you get into her path, her personality is elaborated on a bit. But yes, her path probably is the most brutal in the game.
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Originally posted by Italicus:
[img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] Now, who's talking about trolling? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] Don't take my wrong steps you too...[img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] Obviously you didn't understand. I was referring to the 50$ issue [b]in Crescendo. To Yuka Otowa doing enjo kyousai for 50 bucks. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] To put 80000 yen instead of 50$ was too much for them, i suppose... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img][/b]
$50 in place of 80000 yen? That's more than a bit wrong... -_-
And so, my opinion of them decreases yet again.
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Anyway, Peter, where's the list you talked ont the top of this topic?
The original post was from the renai game section of the Megatokyo forums, by Olf. The listing was on Eroscape, whatever that is. >_>
The “standard” price for a Japanese bishoujo game, before taxes, is ¬Å¬è8,800. Eight thousand eight hundred yen. The eighty thousand was probably just a typo. Right now, ¬Å¬è8,800 is about $86. The dollar is getting weaker to the yen right now. I hope it goes back up soon.
Thanks to heaven it’s not the same for euro.
@Dark Shiki
You didn’t play Yuka’s endings, DS? Small wonder you equivocated my sentence before. Oh well guess i have to excuse you for the 50$ issue ( it happens in Yuka’s ending, so…). Then yours wasn’t trolling, just a “blessed ignorance”…
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Originally posted by Italicus:
@Dark Shiki
You didn't play Yuka's endings, DS? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/eek.gif[/img] Small wonder you equivocated my sentence before. Oh well guess i have to excuse you for the 50$ issue ( it happens in Yuka's ending, so...). Then yours wasn't trolling, just a "blessed ignorance"... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Thanks...I think. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] By the way, I didn't "equivocate." I misinterpreted your statement. Two very different things. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by AG3:
You skipped Yuka just because of that? Well, it's your loss. It's not like it's Virgin Roster or anything, and skipping a character just because you don't like her personality seems like a waste of money to me, since you are shortening the game's life. Besides, if you don't like her, you can just say "I hate you" when you get the chance later in the game. Of course, you'll get the bad ending if you do.
I skip paths with most games. I don't see the point in pursuing girls that I don't really like in the first place. It's simply not as enjoyable. Of course, I try to avoid games where I don't like the majority of the girls, but with most games I only find around half the girls compelling. Hourglass of Summer was a notable exception: for once I like all of the girls. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
The $50 issue is relatively minor, surely? It’s certainly nothing that should make the game less enjoyable. It’s not just G-Collections that are guilty either; ADV Manga translated monetary values into US dollars in fan-favourite Azumanga Daioh, as an offhand example.
Keeping the name suffixes is a fair point as it would take only a few liner notes to explain them. But again they’re not alone because most dubs/subtitle tracks in anime don’t add the -san, -kun or whatever suffix.
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Originally posted by Darc:
The $50 issue is relatively minor, surely? It's certainly nothing that should make the game less enjoyable.
I don't think the problem is the translation itself; the problem is that they translated 80,000 yen to $50, which is blatantly incorrect. To convert yen to dollars, a good rule of thumb is to take off two zeros (in other words, divide by a hundred). That gives you $800, which is nowhere near $50. If it's a typo, it's one with more severe consequences. As I understand it (again I haven't played the path), Yuka sells her body for 80,000 yen. We're likely to make somewhat different interpretations of her if we think that corresponds to $50, rather than $800.
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I don't think the problem is the translation itself; the problem is that they translated 80,000 yen to $50, which is blatantly incorrect. To convert yen to dollars, a good rule of thumb is to take off two zeros (in other words, divide by a hundred). That gives you $800, which is nowhere near $50. If it's a typo, it's one with more severe consequences. As I understand it (again I haven't played the path), Yuka sells her body for 80,000 yen. We're likely to make somewhat different interpretations of her if we think that corresponds to $50, rather than $800.[This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 12-05-2004).]
Sorry for the delicate matter, Lamu-sama...
I don't have the original game, and i based my critics on this point thanks to what a friend told me.
Currently, 80000 yen is an average price for a good looking girl that practices enjo kyousai, according to what Gingakuji told me... and since he went to Kyoto trice, i trust him with blind eyes.
80000 yen stands here for the real price in japanese currency, and not for what Crescendo original game said. But still the value they put in the games is unrealistic, since the minimum is 10000 yen, and that's 100 $ in US value...
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Uh…you mean you don’t actually KNOW if it was mistranslated? For all you know then, it was originally 5000 yen…this is high school students we’re talking about…
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
Uh...you mean you don't actually KNOW if it was mistranslated? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] For all you know then, it was originally 5000 yen...
No, don't take me wrong... if the minimum is 10000, then 50$ is still unrealistic.
Yes, but you see, you still don’t know it’s wrong. She isn’t really a professional prostitute, as far as I can tell. And as I added, if her clients are high school students, they’re not likely to be able to pay as much. I would get my facts straight, at least, before berating GC for a translation error that might not even exist, i.e. pointing fingers based on conjecture.
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Anyway, apart of the value of the act, it would be nice if they at least expressed this value in japanese currency instead of using bucks, don’t you think? What kind of bucks? if the currency subintended here is the yen, then they are wrong anyway because 100 yen is a coin, and same for 500… That - with the yen-$ value still pending - was a good reason to derating. The value itself is a corollary that didn’t influenced much my review.
Yes, but until recently, even I didn’t have any idea how much a yen was worth. I doubt that most people playing these games would understand if the value was given in yen. Furthermore, how exactly does translating money amounts take away from the experience of playing the game? It’s not like any meaning is lost in the conversion. We shouldn’t lose sight of the ultimate goal here, after all.
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
Yes, but until recently, even I didn't have any idea how much a yen was worth. I doubt that most people playing these games would understand if the value was given in yen. Furthermore, how exactly does translating money amounts take away from the experience of playing the game? It's not like any meaning is lost in the conversion. We shouldn't lose sight of the ultimate goal here, after all.[This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 12-05-2004).]
You may call me a quadripilosectonomist, but actually i do mind to details when i play my games. A lot.