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Visual Novel Community Archive, 2000-2009
#61
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
Well I don't think it'd be a good move overall to make the games download-only. Personally, I wouldn't mind a bit though. I'm not inclined to keep game items around that could end up embarrassing me anyway. If I could, I'd burn the games I get now to CD-R's and trash the originals, just so the CD doesn't look naughty at a glance. I always throw away H-game boxes, and manuals too if they have H-pics.


You and your shame... :p

I see no reason in hiding the fact that I play these games... which has led to my sister calling me "ero-sennin." >_>

But still, what's the point in playing them if you're that embarassed by doing so? ^_^;;

[This message has been edited by Dark Lord Zenigame (edited 12-07-2004).]

#62

Who knows?

Even with a game at 10$, i’m still against it. You guys are free to do whatever you want, but i still think V-Mate is wrong. I’ll never aknowledge to play a kinda spyware game connecting every time i want to play.

Nandemonai, Dark Shiki, to understand some other one’s opinions doesn’t mean for me to accept them. So if someone loves lolicon style, happy for him; but for me the design is not pleasant.

I don’t understand what’s wrong in talking about my own personal opinions and tastes… Many people dislike kichiku or SM games, that i like a lot, but i never raised arguments against them on other boards, after all.
Dark Shiki, in example wrote a “No comment” that sounded offensive to me, but even because of that i didn’t put out an “affaire d’Ètat”.
Nor i blame Bishounen Ble because he dislikes oppai, and underplaced a , referring to my previous post on the matter.

Since it seems to be that most of your objection on what i said are related to how others may judge or not my personal tastes - yours, or others, it’s the same-, “De gustibus non est disputandis”, let’s do not argue on each others’ tastes.
So, let’s close that argument here, OK for both of you?

Dark Shiki, the video anime pics related to what i said previously were from a yaoi artwork, “Enzai”.

[This message has been edited by Italicus (edited 12-07-2004).]

#63
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Originally posted by Benoit:

That's just... wrong. Throw away the nice box and manual? That you paid for? Copying the game on a CD-R to not see the original disc?

What the hell?

I think you should learn to accept that you are a bishoujo gamer, instead of hiding it away. I'm not saying that you should tell everyone you are, just accept it.

What's next, deleting all the H-CGs out of the game? :/

If only I knew how...

...no, not really. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

It does pain me to throw away boxes and manuals, even if I'd never look at them again. But keeping that stuff laying around just isn't my style.

I do accept that I'm a b-gamer. Am I ashamed of it? No, or else I wouldn't be posting here, would I? Did I used to be ashamed of playing b-games? You bet. There's a strong stigma in the U. S. against those interested in "anime porn," even more so than "real" porn. Even though I'm not ashamed of playing these games now, other people just wouldn't understand. People think I'm weird just for having non-suggestive posters of anime girls in my room.

I've even tried explaining my tastes to my roommate (he has posters in the room of singers that are fairly suggestive). He just doesn't understand; it's too foreign to him. To him, it's not normal to have anything approaching a sexual interest in a drawing. In fact, in his opinion, it's not even "right." In his view, thinking some anime girls are "hot" is like getting off on Lisa from the Simpsons (sorry for that horrible image).

His view pretty much typifies the view of the average American, IMO. If people are going to think badly of me if they find out I'm into b-games, then what's the point in letting them know? By nature, I'm not one to do things half-heartedly (as I'm sure many of you have noticed). Upon reaching the conclusion that it's better to keep the hobby underground, I'm nothing if not thorough. Throwing away game boxes and manuals is just part of the plan. I've got a whole system set-up that covers this stuff, ranging from renaming links to redirecting installs to directories where your typical surfer would never find them. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] I even ordered Hitomi via Paypal to avoid leaving an incriminating paper trail that my parents would intercept (yes they still do my bills for me, though the money is my own).

I'm not totally paranoid though. I'm gradually revealing the world of b-gamedom to one of my friends who seems mildly interested, because I think he'll understand. I've still got to get around to forcing--err lending Hourglass of Summer to him. My parents wouldn't understand though, and my brothers are underage. So the family needn't know. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Zenigame:
But still, what's the point in playing them if you're that embarassed by doing so?

Again, I personally don't have a qualm about playing them. I just want to avoid the annoyance of being stigmatized by others. Generally, I don't even care what others think. But this is a special case, because people, even people I know well, have some rather odd ideas in their head regarding this issue. And they're not going to change them easily, no matter how hard I try to convince them.

#64
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Who knows?

Even with a game at 10$, i'm still against it. You guys are free to do whatever you want, but i still think V-Mate is wrong. I'll never aknowledge to play a kinda spyware game connecting every time i want to play.

Of course you're against it; you can't even play V-mate games as they are currently. No one can argue that.

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Nandemonai, Dark Shiki, to understand some other one's opinions doesn't mean for me to accept them. So if someone loves lolicon style, happy for him; but for me the design is not pleasant.

I'm not asking you accept my opinions or anyone else's; I'm asking that you not insult me for having them. You say that GC is "low" for selling games with lolicon designs, and by implication you call me "low" as well for appreciating them. It doesn't matter if you say "It's only my opinion!!!" It's still an insult, intended or not.

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I don't understand what's wrong in talking about my own personal opinions and tastes... Many people dislike kichiku or SM games, that i like a lot, but i never raised arguments against them on other boards, after all.
Dark Shiki, in example wrote a "No comment" that sounded offensive to me, but even because of that i didn't put out an "affaire d'Ètat".

It's one thing to say "I don't like lolicon." It's quite another to say "lolicon is low." My "no comment" was as ambiguous as it gets. You could ascribe virtually anything to want to that. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] It was more of a joke than anything else, really.

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Since it seems to be that most of your objection on what i said are related to how others may judge or not my personal tastes - yours, or others, it's the same-, "De gustibus non est disputandis", let's do not argue on each others' tastes.
So, let's close that argument here, OK for both of you? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

I'm not arguing about your tastes. But if you want to end the argument, then go ahead. If we still can't see eye to eye on this issue after this post, then we probably never will anyway. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

#65

OK. Now that the case is closed, my two eurocents on the V-Mate download issue…
You have to pay to download, right?
What if you pay and then your download is scre**d up for some reason? No need to answer me, just think on it.

#66

I hope you’re not implying we shouldn’t answer…because I’m going to (I’m very, very bored, as you can see).

I’m sure if the download didn’t work that there’d be some sort of work-around. Assuming the download uses V-mate, they’d already have the specs of the system you’re using. There’s nothing to gain by downloading the game multiple times on a single computer, so I’m sure they’d just let you redownload it if it didn’t download right the first time. It’s not like you can distribute the “extra” downloads.

#67
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OK. Now that the case is closed, my two eurocents on the V-Mate download issue...
You have to pay to download, right?
What if you pay and then your download is scre**d up for some reason? No need to answer me, just think on it.

Obviously, when you pay for a download game, you arn't paying for the game download; you're paying for the v-mate authorization. Its my impression that you could download the game all you want. The game is worthless unless you paid for v-mate auth.

[This message has been edited by Doddler (edited 12-07-2004).]

#68

Well, somehow I don’t think they would just let anyone suck up their bandwidth, even if the download is useless without the authorization. There’s plenty of idiots out there, not to mention pirate wannabees who’d mistakenly download it, not realizing that they couldn’t play it without V-mate authorization. And, of course, there’s the real pirates, who might download it just to try and crack the system…

#69
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Originally posted by Italicus:
I don't understand what's wrong in talking about my own personal opinions and tastes... Many people dislike kichiku or SM games, that i like a lot, but i never raised arguments against them on other boards, after all.

[This message has been edited by Italicus (edited 12-07-2004).]

Perhaps there is a language barrier / misunderstanding here. I don't know Italian, so it may work differently. In English, these two mean something different:

* I don't like kichiku games

* Kichiku games are trash

The first is your opinion. The second states an opinion as if it were an objective fact - it implies that EVERYONE agrees that "kichiku games are trash". People who disagree with you are much more likely to be offended at the second way of phrasing it, than at the first one.

#70
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
In his view, thinking some anime girls are "hot" is like getting off on Lisa from the Simpsons (sorry for that horrible image).

... I forgive you, but I still have to kill you. Where do you live again?

#71
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I do accept that I'm a b-gamer. Am I ashamed of it? No, or else I wouldn't be posting here, would I? Did I used to be ashamed of playing b-games? You bet.

I'm more or less the same way. My screenname, for instance, is NOT the one I use everywhere else, because back when I first started hanging out here I felt like I needed to maintain a wall, because I was embarrassed. (Now it's because I need to maintain plausible deniability. Somewhat of an improvement.)

quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
There's a strong stigma in the U. S. against those interested in "anime porn," even more so than "real" porn. Even though I'm not ashamed of playing these games now, other people just wouldn't understand. People think I'm weird just for having non-suggestive posters of anime girls in my room.

I've even tried explaining my tastes to my roommate (he has posters in the room of singers that are fairly suggestive). He just doesn't understand; it's too foreign to him. To him, it's not normal to have anything approaching a sexual interest in a drawing. In fact, in his opinion, it's not even "right." In his view, thinking some anime girls are "hot" is like getting off on Lisa from the Simpsons (sorry for that horrible image).

His view pretty much typifies the view of the average American, IMO. If people are going to think badly of me if they find out I'm into b-games, then what's the point in letting them know? By nature, I'm not one to do things half-heartedly (as I'm sure many of you have noticed). *snip*

I'm not totally paranoid though. I'm gradually revealing the world of b-gamedom to one of my friends who seems mildly interested, because I think he'll understand. I've still got to get around to forcing--err lending Hourglass of Summer to him.

I bet your friend doesn't REALLY think it's unnatural to have sexual interest in anything approaching a drawing. He probably just doesn't see it. Real porn is a picture, after all, and images are supposed to represent reality. I mean, anime could be done in a visual style using very artistic and heavily stylized voodoo dolls to represent the characters in the show - but it isn't. It's drawn using real people, because it's easier to empathise that way. Hell, there's even the Man in the Moon.

As for your assertion that most people would think it's weird ... I don't know. Not most people I know, but then, I'm mostly in circles of people who are anime and video game nuts. I think really it's more of a prejudice in general against animation as a "for kids" thing, which really it isn't anymore.

I'm getting my anime nut friends interested gradually. I am Satan, of course, so my corrupting influence is awesome. >8D I've made a few converts that I know of, and I really hope they start corrupting other people, because they're the sort who like good stories.

#72

Edits profile

…Albequerque. Albequerque, Oceania. Yes, that’s it.

[This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 12-07-2004).]

#73
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
I bet your friend doesn't REALLY think it's unnatural to have sexual interest in anything approaching a drawing. He probably just doesn't see it. Real porn is a picture, after all, and images are supposed to represent reality. I mean, anime could be done in a visual style using very artistic and heavily stylized voodoo dolls to represent the characters in the show - but it isn't. It's drawn using real people, because it's easier to empathise that way. Hell, there's even the Man in the Moon.

Nope, we've been over that. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] "Real porn is a drawing too" was the obvious argument, of course. He countered by saying that real porn represents reality because it's a photo of an actual person. According to his logic (yes, I'm writing it as he told me), a drawing of a fictional person, even a very realistic drawing, can't be "hot." It can be artistic, but not hot.

I don't know if that's the specific viewpoint that Americans hold, but that's my roommate's reasoning, anyway.

Now, back to me arguing. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] I don't really feel anime is a "realistic" drawing style (especially the anime art style I like). Most anime character art is a heavily stylized representation of reality, at best. To give a personal example, I like H-pics, but I'm terribly repulsed by "real" porn. To me, anime is a whole different world, with it own rules and its own "people."

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As for your assertion that most people would think it's weird ... I don't know. Not most people I know, but then, I'm mostly in circles of people who are anime and video game nuts. I think really it's more of a prejudice in general against animation as a "for kids" thing, which really it isn't anymore.

Heh, the people I know from anime club generally steer clear of anything smacking of "hentai" (which I'm sure they'd happily classify H-games as). I haven't particularly tried to disabuse them of this possible viewpoint. I'm not sure Genshiken will help my cause any. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 12-07-2004).]

#74

quite a few people have expressed concerns that this post got off-topic way too early (in about the first 2 posts or so)…well, we all know who started it

so guys, can we get back on track?

#75

Hey, I created it…and I can undo it.

Heh, heh, sorry about the initial off-topic spazziness. I do remember another certain someone participating in it, though. At least it’s been upgraded to productive(?) off-topic-ness now. Seriously though, no one seems to care to discuss the original topic. If there were more responses about it, then I’d respond in kind. As it is now, I have nothing better to do than post off-topic follow-ups.

…And that includes this post, unfortunately.

(Yes, I am that bored. What would you do if posting here or studying were the two options before you?)

Edit: The reason I even bother posting this is that I’m very interested in the current line of discussion. I love hearing all these opinions concerning how b-games/b-gamers are viewed by the general public, but somehow it seems presumptuous to go create a topic on it just for my sake…

[This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 12-08-2004).]

#76

Something else about these new downloadables that (i don’t think) has been touched on yet. It says you need the Japanese/Chinese OS in order to run them. Does this mean you can just get away with changing the regional settings, or would you need a whole different OS? Also just noticed the G-Coll frontpage has the under 18 disclaimer in Chinese and Japanese, so mayhaps the US isn’t even the target market for these, though since the synopses are in english that seems kinda odd… ::shrug::

#77
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Originally posted by CapnWeasel:
Also just noticed the G-Coll frontpage has the under 18 disclaimer in Chinese and Japanese, so mayhaps the US isn't even the target market for these, though since the synopses are in english that seems kinda odd... ::shrug::

There's links to the correct language storyline so it's not told solely in English. Also there's instruction on V-Mate in Japanese and Chinese, so English illiterates aren't left out in the cold. It's just that English is the language that pops up first.

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#78
quote:
Originally posted by CapnWeasel:
Something else about these new downloadables that (i don't think) has been touched on yet. It says you need the Japanese/Chinese OS in order to run them. Does this mean you can just get away with changing the regional settings, or would you need a whole different OS?

The page says that because:
1) A typical English configured OS won't display the Japanese/Chinese characters correctly

and/or

2) The games may have protections on them that prevent them from even being installed on a non-Chinese/Japanese configured OS.

Both problems would be solved by simply changing everything in the regional settings to Chinese/Japanese. As far as I know, there's no difference between a copy of Windows XP sold in Japan and one sold anywhere else, except for the default configurations, perhaps.

Of course, if V-mate actually checks to make sure you have a Japanese/Chinese registered OS before it lets you start the game...

[This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 12-08-2004).]

#79

Their website is down again.

#80

When the GC board says Our BBS is temporally closed for remodeling, it means that it has been disconnected from the top page. The forum itself is usually still available here.