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Originally posted by Interzone:
That's a fair point. And it's not always the "bad guys" either; I admit to mowing down/beating up a few innocent pedestrians in Grand Theft Auto and that certainly isn't something I'd consider in real life.But where these bishojo games differ is the sinister psychological approach to causing distress. Take this synopsis of Shukkestubo on G-Collections site;
Kengo Inui enjoys being a chemistry teacher. He knows just how easy it is to
hide his true self behind the title. He can easily make girls trust him, and
then he betrays and rapes them to become his sex slaves. He hunts these
girls one by one. He loves life's pleasures!
Maybe I'm a hypocrite but to me that is simply aborrhant and not something I wish to be associated with in any fashion.
Well, I think most people here will agree that neither Tsuki nor Shukkestubo are that good examples of "good" dark games there are out here, and that's it. Besides, what's the difference in the psychological approach? Don't the labels for american/other games where you can be "evil" also state things like "Being evil has never been more fun than this!" and things like that? ^_-.
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
... but still, the same thing may apply to a rape-scene in a b-game. It all depends on the story and the circumstances.Of course, the main problem is that currently the only available and thus by most people here at least comparable games containing rape aren't that great. And Tsuki as well as Shukketsu-Bo are striking examples for that in particular.
But if we would ever see a localization of Fukushuu - Ryoujoku no yaiba, Saigo, Kairaku or Darcrows, things should be better understandable.
Well, as I already said, none of the games we've seen so far are stiking examples. But the games you've choosen might not exactly be striking examples either...
In the case of Fukushuu - Ryoujoku no yaiba, this is indeed the case. In Kairaku, the situation's a little different - He has to do the things he does to the girls in order to save them from a possibly worse fate.... In Saigo and Darcrows, through.. The main character is indeed wanting revenge, but one could argue about if the girls really deserves it -In darcrows, Crowd's purpose for the things he does to the girls is twofold - first, he does it in order to get the resources to save their country, and secondly, in order to gain revenge on a certain person... In his defense, through, it has to be said that he does give the girls a choice through. Saigo has a somewhat similar situation; the main chara wants to find the murderer of his little sister, something he can only do through the information of the girls in the game - and again, it can be argued if the girls deserve it or not - They're hiding information from him, that's true, but does the end justify the means...?
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Originally posted by Benoit:
Uh, why should it? Killing someone because you hate him is pretty logical if you don't apply ethics to it. But why would you rape someone you hate? Come on, it's too far-fetched and doesn't make sense.
Of course killing is bad, but raping is actually worse. Raping a person often means destroying the person psychologically, scarring them for the rest of their life. There are things that are worse than death.
Well, let me ask you, why WOULN'T you rape someone you hate? You said yourself that it in your opinion of view is the worst thing you could do to someone, so why wouldn't it be a fitting thing to do to your worst enemy, or is this something you "wouldn't even do to my worst enemy", as they say?
Actually you could reape someone you hated, in a kind of "Eye for an eye" thing. Let me take one of the games Unicorn mentioned, Fukushuu - Ryoujoku no yaiba as an example. In this game, the main character transfers to a new school, but ends up being bullied by a gang of girls at that school. But as it happens, the main character becomes friend with a girl in his class - Yui. She tries to stop the gang from bullying him, but a time after she's done that, the Gang takes their revenge on her for interfering by letting two thugs of the school rape her before the main character's eyes. Then the main character swears that he'll take revenge on the gang. And how would he do that? Well, of course he'd do it by do the same thing to them as they did to poor Yui, first by gathering stuff he can use as a blackmail against them, so that they won't be able to tell anyone about it, and then rape them. In this case, it's not all that far-fetched, right? And notice this: The main character doesn't want to _kill_ the girls in the Gang for what they did. Teach them a lesson, yes, but not in any way kill them.
There are things worse than Death? Maybe, but I'm not sure if raping can be counted to those things. As has been mentioned, someone who has been raped can recover and live a normal life. Someone killed, young as old, can never return and live his/her life.
