Official Post about Shiny Days

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#561

Definition of CP is roughly the same as witchcraft. You just have to convince yourself there can't be any reasonable explanation for it all, and that the other person is evil.


For example if you bought a small onahole? It can't have been for ease of use, it must be because you want to pretend to rape children.


Bought a child sex doll? Can't be because you can't carry a heavy adult model and wanted a lighter model. You must have picked it because you want to have sex with children.


Bought a game with a loli character in it and 8 adults? We see right through you, you must have bought it for the child and you are a creep.


Got a picture of yourself as a naked child? Can't fool us, you plan to masturbate to yourself in a sick fantasy.


I guess the positive part in all of this is that just like with witchcraft, you need someone else to sic the authorities on you. Because they do not believe in witchcraft.

#562

what time zone are you using for the release date, and should we expect a possible delay due to the website setback?

#563

@swift talon Possible delay? You mean should we expect a 4th delay? Hahaha... I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happened to the digital download and I'm being serious here. Its very likely it'll be delayed again considering the lack of information. Tim hasn't been posting anything because he probly knows it'll get delayed again.

#564

@John Nguyen: actually i've been updating the dev log with new information (2nd update since last week) and bumping that post to the front. I haven't posted much here because I have little to comment/contribute to the conversation atm and also I've been helping try to trouble shoot compatibility issues for customers and teaching people who are less computer literate how to install games.


Re: CP discussion: I don't like the idea of going to jail, I don't think other people do either, we do what we can so the games wont be interpreted as ones that would send you to jail, or get you in trouble in countries that we serve. How laws are defined and how people interpret them are a separate issue; my previous post was not a commentary on what I think is CP, loli, beastiality etc. is, or whether i think it's right or wrong (or if i think it should be). We don't like the idea of censorship, and we want to release a "complete" product (we spend a lot of time getting demosaiced material and trying to find ways to include all the content- thats why we support restoration patches). So, regardless of which customs official will not be playing the game, or what mass media won't be broadcasting about it's contents, the point is that we're trying to reach the widest audience, with the most content, while trying to have the risk of getting in trouble as close to none at all for our customers and employees. The only place where we can't sell most of our games is in Japan, where they already have their own version which is modified or "censored" if you will to fit their own laws making them "incomplete" in ways. Other localization groups/companies can do what they please to "push the boundaries" - we don't have that sort of political agenda, we like games, we want to localize them and have them reach as many people as possible, and we've allowed for the content which is questionable in certain cases to be restored unofficially. It's tiring to go through these sort of circular arguments; I would rather spend my time getting these games out as best we can than trying to find ways or excuses to circumvent the law.


Re: time zone for release: we co-ordinate between Japan and the states, it will be released on the 25th while it is still the 25th somewhere in the world, sorry I can't give you an exact time.


Re: Another delay: if it really pleases you, there is a chance that Fuji will blow it's top, and maybe Akagi too (which is less than 100 km from HQ in Japan, depending how bad that theoretical situation gets, we could be looking at a delay... but i somehow doubt that. The last 2 delays were down to the wire because we were busy looking at alternatives to avoid them (which didn't really work -admittedly the first one could/should have been announced 4-5 days earlier, apologies). I can make random announcements the weeks before a release to warn that there may be a delay, but sometimes shit really does go down a few days before hand to screw things over. We're going to improve our workflow model for future projects to try to improve on this.



#565

@Tim Thank you. I can be excited for friday now.

#566

Looks like game saves may have permission issues until a patch is created to address the problem. Until then, the game can be run as an administrator to work around the issue.

Source

#567

I'm so damn excited now. For god sake, I hope it won't get delay again >.<

#568

I'm excited too... I will be at AWA for the weekend using my friends internet so hopefully I will be able to download this quickly. Thanks for delaying so I can have good internet to download this I guess lol :^)

#569

I just saw that the digital download is only available if the purchase is done with a credit card. Is there any work around? J-List accepts Paypal, but I don't want/need a physical copy...

#570

Paypal do not allowed porn purchases through its system. Credit cards is what you will always need for paying for porn on the internet. Unless of course you go the route of paying a company to give you pretend tokens that you later can cash in for porn.

@Tim I think patch solutions are fine. What bothers me is that the changes are done without valid arguments. Is loli illegal in some countries? Yes, SPECIFIC kinds are illegal. Mainly stand alone pictures, dolls, pure porn comis/videos. Is a scene in a 30+ ending interactive game illegal? No. What happens when you are doing the safety changes is that you are broadening the gap. This makes the perceived laws (what people think) end up faaaaaar from what laws say (and what actually counts). In short, if you censor a 16 year old today, in 3 years you’ll censor a 19 year old just because the padding distance to be safe has grown so much.

#571

Yeah, loli’s don’t interest me in the slightest. I like a complete game so I’ll patch it anyways eventhough I probably won’t even play the route.

#572

jsut want to give kokoro the sweet love

#573

"Paypal do not allowed porn purchases through its system."


That's actually not true.


"J-List accepts Paypal"


See this statement.

#574

@Tim Hello. This is the first game I buy from Jast USA. I bought it because I loved School Days HQ.

I have 3 questions for you guys:

1 - Why is there no information on your store web site about this game being censored? I didn't know it was censored when I bought it;

2 - I got mad when I found out this game was censored, but then I've read that you will release a patch so we can uncensored it. My question is: is it gonna take long to release, like, more than a month?

3 - Can you release some notes with information about what you've censored? I would like to know the specific points that you have censored, so I can try to find on the internet the complete information about those points.


Thank you.

#575

1) They don't want to lose sales, so they tucked the announcement away here.

2) The (un)official patch for Starless was available before the official game download went live. Tim won't respond to this because the patch is (un)official. He has nothing to do with it. Really!

3) See the OP??? Honestly, just get the patch. I'll link to it in my upcoming article as well.

#576

There is a difference between "J-List accepts Paypal" and "Everything on J-List can be bought with Paypal". Amiami does the same thing. All, except the 18+ items, is fine to pay with PayPal.


According to Google you may use PayPal these days through some kind of Epoch service at some porn sites. They didn't want to drop the entire porn market I guess to competition. (After all VHS won through porn over the better alternatives)

#577

As a test, I added Shiny Days to my cart on J-List. Paypal was listed as a payment option when I went to check out. I did this before writing my last post on the matter. I'd suggest you do the same before making such claims...

#578

@sanahtlig


1 - That is not a honest move, but, well...

2 - Thank you, much appreciated!

3 - I thought it would take them some time to release the patch, that is why i asked it :)


Thank you for the answers

#579


Re Paypal: Linus Gustavsson: Half correct: "Sexually oriented digital goods or content delivered through a digital medium" are not allowed https://www.paypal.com/selfhelp/article/FAQ569 Physical items are fine. Please check with site policies before making blanket statements that could be misleading.


Re Censorship: " What bothers me is that the changes are done without valid arguments. Is loli illegal in some countries? Yes, SPECIFIC kinds are illegal. Mainly stand alone pictures, dolls, pure porn comis/videos. Is a scene in a 30+ ending interactive game illegal? No." <- What solid evidence do you have to backup this claim/are you a legal consultant?


"What happens when you are doing the safety changes is that you are broadening the gap. This makes the perceived laws (what people think) end up faaaaaar from what laws say (and what actually counts). In short, if you censor a 16 year old today, in 3 years you'll censor a 19 year old just because the padding distance to be safe has grown so much." <- the removal of content is a safety change based on how countries we have employees in and customers in interpret their respective laws. It is not a matter of us trying to change perceptions or making a bigger safe distance. We have only removed what could get us in trouble that we could not rationalize to a satisfactory extent, if the laws change to allow or restrict content, our policy will likely reflect that.


@Raf: 1. As with most releases of any media (movies, novels, art) is usually marketed with no mention of any changes made to the content (one example that comes to mind for me is the movie SALT which had 4-5 editions, and did not mention that the scenes and endings were changed in a drastic way that affected the perception of the movie's plot) Feature advertisement is usually inclusion based rather than exclusion.


2. Answered by sanahtlig, thank-you


3. There were 3 scenes (and flashbacks of one of the scenes) that contained content that could potentially cause some serious problems for our employees and customers in countries with laws against those sorts of scenes. Parts of the scenes have been removed so that the illegal aspect of it is ambiguous (so we could preserve the storyline).

People living in areas where this is not a problem will be able to find an unofficial restoration patch to restore the scenes to the original, but we can not include it in the release- the reasons have been posted more than twice please read the sites and links.



Edited for clarity --because its too early in the morning for this -_-;

#580

"Re Paypal: Linus Gustavsson: Half correct: "Sexually oriented digital goods or content delivered through a digital medium" are not allowed https://www.paypal.com/selfhelp/article/FAQ569Physical items are fine. Please check with site policies before making blanket statements that could be misleading."


That's fascinating. Unfortunately, in that case J-List is in violation of PayPal rules. A PayPal payment option appeared when I added the digital version of Starless to my cart and proceeded to checkout. But I see now why you continue to maintain separate JAST and J-List stores. If PayPal ever cracks down on J-List, you may need a separate storefront to continue selling digital titles.