Princess Maker series

[Nargrakhan]

Double posts are bad, but there’s a reason for this one.

Who here is a major PM nut, but doesn’t actually have PM4 yet?

[papillon]

other than me, still waiting for my retail launch?

There is now an empty Amazon preorder page for it though, so the publisher is doing SOMETHING behind the scenes…

[RonXE]

O_O

[ 05-04-2007, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: RonXE ]

[Peter_Gilis]

Heh, i know this part. SETO NO HANAYOME episode 2. I laughed so hard, specially after looking at her father’s face when he saw them doing that.

[papillon]

Well, while Amazon still lists the item as not in stock, I have had reports from multiple sources that Cute Knight Deluxe is on the shelves in the US - Best Buy at least, don’t know where else. Unfortunately I’m not in the country so I can’t see it myself!

So now I guess I have to make my purchase decisions…

[Nandemonai]

Retail release? I shall have to look into this. You said Best Buy?

[papillon]

That’s where I was told someone spotted it. I don’t know. Of course, I shall look horribly embarassed about the whole thing.

[Jinnai]

Originally posted by Nargrakhan:
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Originally posted by Jinnai:
True, it would require more work, but the market share is also much greater and more able to offset costs.

That’s definitely arguable. First there’s the cost of obtaining multiple licenses (at least two of them). Then there’s the DS development license and title permission from Nintendo (not really hard to get but expensive). Following that would be the porting process – then showing the end results to Gainax and Nintendo. Nintendo is notorious for adding more to a title when it comes to the DS (and the Wii I’m told; but I’ve never worked on that) – which usually is for the best, but requires more money and time… blah, blah, blah…

Long story short: it isn’t a good idea to port PM from a seller’s point of view, when there are OTHER titles available which are far more marketable. The investment of money and time would be the same, so why do a game that would make “x” amount of money, when you can get a game that will get “x + x + x” amount of money for the same work?[/b]

It depends upon what the title is and what the company wants to be associated with as well. EA makes plenty of games, but they are known for sports games. When most people just hear the name “EA” that’s the first genre of game that comes to mind (there may be other first things that come to mind, but i won’t get into that…) for most gamers. If you don’t want to be labeled as a certain type of gaming company, especially important for smaller ones than conglomerates, that is also a factor.

There there is the fact that many games are bombs when ported that are hyped and others sneak past and become major hits.

Originally posted by Nargrakhan:
Of course if you’re a company that WANTS to bring PM on a DS because you’re a fan of it, then it totally throws off the argument of greater profit… but there isn’t a company like that in the US that I know of - unless Peach Princess gets in the DS business.

Which, if you’ll look, PM3 is the title i said would be the best option, both for content and (likely) licensing fee (and theoretically less likely to come into major contracting disputes).

[Jinnai]

Originally posted by papillon:
That’s where I was told someone spotted it. I don’t know. Of course, I shall look horribly embarassed about the whole thing.

Well…probably not my Best Buy…

BTW if it would be there it’d be in the cheap games rack. I’m not sure what the price is though.

[papillon]

$20 afaik. you’d be surprised how little information I as the developer have about the whole publishing process.

[Nargrakhan]

Originally posted by Jinnai:
Well the stockholders, mostly US ones, were more interested, with 3D. Not because it was any better, but just because they thought it was. This was for part of the time during the techbubble era. This might have influenced why Sony America didn’t bring many 2D PS2 titles over.

US stockholders didn’t have much say in the Emotion Engine process. In fact, the US stockholders didn’t get any significant say during the ENTIRE development cycle of the PS2. Hell… Sony of America itself didn’t get any say. The entire process was handled between Sony of Japan and Toshiba exclusively. Because of this, no third party software company (CAPCOM, Konami, etc) got to see - let alone provide feedback - on the hardware implementation.

Originally posted by Jinnai:
[b]However, the argument about recouping investment costs has 1 major flaw: Sony did not make this descion until 1 to 1 1/2 years after the PS2’s release. By this time the costs had been recovered. The descion to do so therefore would, assuming all reasonable things, be some other reason.

Plus, denying a whole subsection of games when Sony gets paid irregardless of the game maker’s success or failure, would however lend some support that their was some pressure on Sony of America (not Japan since it continued to produce such titles), [/b]

The entire context and the time frame of what you’re talking about here, is different from the context and time frame I’m talking about. So the arguments don’t match…

It’s my fault this thing spiraled into this, so I’ll just stop on my end. All I wanted to say, is that a Princess Maker port on a DS is VERY, VERY, VERY unlikely because the hardware issues are messy. That’s my opinion on the matter, and I think I’ve gone to far in trying to justify it, as well as going totally off topic.

EDIT #2
So with that said, I’ll do to this thread, what I always do to threads that I think become counterproductive.

TWINCEST HIJACKING!!!

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[ 06-22-2007, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Nargrakhan ]

[Jinnai]

Originally posted by Nargrakhan:
You can post that I’m an insane, twincest sucks, or that I’m full of it… but I don’t wanna talk about Sony marketing anymore. If I did, I’d be a regular on SCEA and not here…Err Twincest sucks!!! YEA!!! (Not really, but you said I can post that, so I did…)

Originally posted by Nargrakhan:
It’s my fault this thing spiraled into this, so I’ll just stop on my end. All I wanted to say, is that a Princess Maker port on a DS is VERY, VERY, VERY unlikely because the hardware issues are messy. That’s my opinion on the matter, and I think I’ve gone to far in trying to justify it, as well as going totally off topic.

Anyway my point was never that it would be easy. If you got that idea, you were mistaken. Just that a port of PM3…maybe PM1/2R, maybe…would be doable. And with that said: