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Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
]Actually, I prefered the OVAs, if only because the characters are truer to the game. Am playing the game right now.
The TV series is 0.1% the quality of the game. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
I thought dragons just hoard the games. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
I would guess that OVA's are more true to the orignal media because you don't have to censor OVA's like TV.
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Originally posted by woodelf:
I thought dragons just hoard the games. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
I would guess that OVA's are more true to the orignal media because you don't have to censor OVA's like TV.
Aren't most OVA's longer or could they not also be longer allowing for more character development for the minor characters thus truer to the original manga?
So Olf wanna give a review of the game It’s a ADV right?
Well I quoted $42 for the narue box, but you only get that price if your a member of the got anime club at TSRI since that gives you an xtra 10% off.
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Originally posted by SCDawg:
Aren't most OVA's longer or could they not also be longer allowing for more character development for the minor characters thus truer to the original manga?
OAVs? Longer than TV shows? Only a very rare OVA series even equals the shortest TV series. There are a handful - a SMALL handful - of OVA series that are 13 episodes. I don't know of any that are longer. In the olden days of big budgets there were some 6-episode OVAs; and a very common number of OVAs was 3.
In contrast a short TV show is now 13 episodes. As a matter of fact - and this is pure speculation - it seems very likely to me that many properties that would have been a short OVA series in the past are now getting 13-episode TV shows instead.
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
OAVs? Longer than TV shows? Only a very rare OVA series even equals the shortest TV series. There are a handful - a SMALL handful - of OVA series that are 13 episodes. I don't know of any that are longer. In the olden days of big budgets there were some 6-episode OVAs; and a very common number of OVAs was 3.In contrast a short TV show is now 13 episodes. As a matter of fact - and this is pure speculation - it seems very likely to me that many properties that would have been a short OVA series in the past are now getting 13-episode TV shows instead.
My mistake in how I said it, I meant longer as in the television show is 25 minutes but an individual OVA can be 30-45 minutes in length.
Who said low-brow was bad? All these bishoujo-game turned anime series really make me want to play the original games. sigh
Also, oddly enough, lately there have been more and more 8-10 episode TV series popping up…
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Originally posted by olf_le_fol:
The TV series is 0.1% the quality of the game. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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Ah you tempt me. Although not speaking Japanese would likely hinder my ablility to come to any conclusions.
And low brow is fine with me [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Faust:
Who said low-brow was bad? All these bishoujo-game turned anime series really make me want to play the original games. *sigh*
Also, oddly enough, lately there have been more and more 8-10 episode TV series popping up...
I wonder if the shorten series is because few people seem to have the willingness to give things time anymore, and they always want new things every day, could be one reasons.
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Originally posted by SCDawg:
I wonder if the shorten series is because few people seem to have the willingness to give things time anymore, and they always want new things every day, could be one reasons.
No, at least as far as I know the bottom fell out of the market from the other direction. The market used to be much more awash in money so making shows was much easier. Recently it's been much tighter in the industry so making new shows is harder, so getting money for them is more difficult as well. It's a finances issue more than a demand issue.
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
No, at least as far as I know the bottom fell out of the market from the other direction. The market used to be much more awash in money so making shows was much easier. Recently it's been much tighter in the industry so making new shows is harder, so getting money for them is more difficult as well. It's a finances issue more than a demand issue.
But would not the finances be there if the demand was there? Is that not a basic rule of business, if you have mass demand you churn out the product people want at the cost of perhaps other products? Or have all economies gotten so bad that the demand can be there and the money still not there?
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Originally posted by SCDawg:
But would not the finances be there if the demand was there? Is that not a basic rule of business, if you have mass demand you churn out the product people want at the cost of perhaps other products? Or have all economies gotten so bad that the demand can be there and the money still not there?
Well no Money this month [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Course with all the american anime companies co-producing anime now the budgets might loosen up. But I have a strange feeling us companies rather have a bunch of 12-13 ep series than 26+ ep series.
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Originally posted by wanfu2k1:
Course with all the american anime companies co-producing anime now the budgets might loosen up. But I have a strange feeling us companies rather have a bunch of 12-13 ep series than 26+ ep series.
Which is why I blame lack of attention spans more then lack of money. They have to keep bringing out new or repacking the almost forgotten old in order to keep people buying from them in today's world.
I might be naive but I am convinced if you have the demand for a long running anime you will have a long running anime that last 24-26 maybe more eps.
It was not anime but anyone remember Adventures of the Gummi Bears? That lasted a long time about 4 years maybe 5 years because of popularity, or so I believe, and now even that company, which I am not naming intentionally, does not let it shows last more then one year maybe two years before reruns even if they are product sellers during that run. I truly think it is lack of attention span that causes such short running series these days.
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Originally posted by SCDawg:
I might be naive but I am convinced if you have the demand for a long running anime you will have a long running anime that last 24-26 maybe more eps....
I truly think it is lack of attention span that causes such short running series these days.
The problem is that it's become more financially risky. A 26 episode show is a full season still, in terms of one fact: If the show is 26 episodes it is - by and large - mostly or completely finished with production by the time it airs on TV. Unfortuantely this means that getting 26 episodes from the get-go just isn't for every series anymore because not every show can recoup those costs anymore. Sucky shows are still made - always were, always will be; they just don't lose as much when they're 13 eps instead of 26.
Now, there are a lot of shows that could use another season that don't get it - Kare Kano, for instance, ends at 18 but they drag its undead corpse around for 8 more building up to an event that never happens. Narue no Sekai is only 13 episodes, but it certainly can't actually get anywhere with the episodes it has left. And as far as I'm concerned, Cha Cha should keep on going until the moon crashes into the earth and the gates of hell are open. And so on.
But there are still shows that DO get more episodes. Full Metal Panic! always was 26 - it worked well. Inu Yasha is yet another Takahashi show made into a sprawling epic. Princess Tutu even had an ending at episode 13 but was given a second season (which they actually used to great effect, unlike some shows). Mahoromatic got a second season because it was popular enough. Ghost in the Shell TV was similarly extended due to popularity.
The thing is, when a show is given new life due to popularity, the scheduling is confused. Because there's a gap in production - the show certainly has to be done months before it airs on TV, then after it airs they have to do the negotiations for another season - this is why shows that DO get continuations don't get them right away.
I think I've rambled on long enough, but it's not QUITE as simple as "lack of attention" span. Of course, I've said nothing to DISprove that particular theory, so it could EASILY be that we're both right.
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
I think I've rambled on long enough, but it's not QUITE as simple as "lack of attention" span. Of course, I've said nothing to DISprove that particular theory, so it could EASILY be that we're both right.
I think in a sense we both are right, and partly what you said, to me partly proves the lack of attention span in that by few building shows to last they are admitting they do not believe people have the attention span for the long haul of a longer series that would help make that series profitable. Now if this is true or if this is a self-fufulling prophecy is an entirely different question.
However, they I see this is that few ever think anything might be popular enough to last and make money, so they won't take that risk because of their belief in the lack of attention span and when it is proven wrong and they have a massive hit on their hands they leave themselves to scramble to make more episodes which costs them some of the fans that would have been there, thus to them partly proving once more that long series don't work.
Once again though, assuming that is partly what happens, does it become self-fulling prophecy and take it from their wise decision not to take a risk to their making long run series unprofitable by not producing them, thus having people not use to them thus making them unprofitable.
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
But there are still shows that DO get more episodes. Full Metal Panic! always was 26 - it worked well.
Well, technically, Full Metal Panic! is only 24 episodes... this is only annoying because ADV, when they could easily released it on 6 discs at 4 episodes on every disc, have released it on 7 discs... (Of course, it's not as bad as X was...)
And the second season FMP? Fumoffu! is, depending on how you count it, either 11, 12, or 15 episodes [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/eek.gif[/img]
Actually why I was suggesting US companies wanting 12-13 episode shows more than 26 is because it’s easier for them to get us to shell out for 4 disk releases of 12-13 ep shows than 8 disk 26 ep shows
But really like people already said it’s less money risk to do a 12 ep series than a 26 ep series so the trend now is to do 12-13 ep series then if it becomes a hit then do another season. examples of this are Vandread, divergence eve, those who hunt elves, ect. Course if the producers know already it’s going to be a hit ie One Piece, Inu Yasha then they will not hesitate to make a long running anime out of it. Course if you notice most of the long running shows are big hitters in shonen phonebook mangas.
Not all from the shounen category. Tokyo Mew Mew is in the thirties and it’s shoujo. Mahou shoujo, in fact. It all depends…
Of course, Tokyo Mew Mew was also wildly popular, so …
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Originally posted by wanfu2k1:
Actually why I was suggesting US companies wanting 12-13 episode shows more than 26 is because it's easier for them to get us to shell out for 4 disk releases of 12-13 ep shows than 8 disk 26 ep shows [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
I still think so long as you have not conditioned the people to only desire shorter episode shows (leading to shorter attention spans), and of course if the show is good enough to start with, they would have no trouble getting us to shell out for the 8 disc set. I mean how many of us bought all 6 DVDs for Chobits? Yet I think that is because it was obviously a good series and second I think most of us have not been conditioned, at least yet, to only want the shorter series in terms of what we will pay for in the long term.
How did ADV release 'X' by the way?
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ADV didn’t release X… Pioneer/Geneon did. It was 8 discs, 24 episodes. 25 if you count the Episode 0 OAV on the first disc, the “pre-cap” episode as I like to call it.
And Chobits was 7 discs… or are you not counting disc 7 since it’s just recap episodes?