quote:See that's another problem right now all of us have to take on faith that G-Collections is doing poorly but for all we know they are doing well enough to stay afloat for a long time, perhaps breaking-even each time and I don't expect them to open their books, just be more open. I don't expect another company to always reveal such things by opening the books of another company, but perhaps saying they seem to be doing well or poorly is something that could happen, but doubtful it will happen. Okay, then let me ask a way that might be able to be told.
Originally posted by Lamuness:
for gc sales, even if we know we are not in a position to reveal it to you guys, especially when it's gc sales and not our own games...
Does it seem from rumor, not fact but rumor, word on the street which is not hidden but perhaps better heard by different people, does it seem from such word of mouth, that a lot are buying the game or that most are like the vocal members here and mostly against it?
quote:I understand where you are coming from, but at the same time think if you want to leave your opitions fully open you don't stand with or against V-Mate, stay fully neutral in this turkey shoot, as it were, and recommending that people not fully trash it sounds more like standing in favor then neutral in my opinion.
all we are trying to say is that we dont want to immediately condemn vmate's system, at least not yet. it's never a good idea to trash anything fully because while it may be a bad idea to use for one purpose it may prove to be beneficial for some other things, and that's why we are leaving our options open.
I also think there is enough evidence to draw several conclusions (noted below) about this system which might prove enough to show how satisfied the customer is with it, and unless you know something you will not/cannot tell us, there is little evidence sales for G-Collection have benefited from this system or that pirates have in fact been stopped and have not already cracked the system or increased in their numbers as a result of the system.
quote:Observe carefully okay, so far here are my careful observations:
(...) we are just trying to stay open, avoid any condemning comments, and most importantly, observe carefully and not jump to conclusions too quickly.
1)it limits where and when people can play to a point, especially those without internet access or in areas of remote internet access
2) it to a point monitors when and how frequently people play as such it is also a form of spyware since it can log when people play the games not to mention the type of game they often play, ones with cat-girls, shrine maidens, etc.
3) it restricts resales and as such perhaps greater market exposure of the industry
4) it basically comes off more like a 40 dollar rental game then one purchased if you look at this very carefully and read between the lines through careful observation
5) it has yet to be proven uncrackable and once again if rumors are true it is already cracked
6)you have a lot of people ready to boycott a company if they try such a system and so far there seems to be little proof that anyone holds(or admits to) which shows that loss of those that will boycott is minor compared to the gain of customers and stopping of pirates
Anyone notice anything I might have missed?
I just don't like this system for many reasons but some of the more major ones are there is just about something it feels very instinctually wrong and perhaps more importantly there is something about it that analytically just keeps coming across as wrong and also coming across as being far more then it seems on the surface and far more then merely an attempt to stop pirates. It is also true I don't stand alone in such feelings and on that note I agree with Thomas, it is some of your own customers that are the guinea pigs for G-Collections and this system.
[This message has been edited by SCDawg (edited 11-03-2004).]