Tokimeki Checkin - virgin territory

Sandalphon · July 31, 2001, 10:09pm

anyway… been a virgin isn’t determined by physical signs… the fact of being virgin is a mind’s state… you might not be a virgin even having a “hymen” or stuff like that… or vice versa…

scuddman · August 1, 2001, 12:46am

Woohoo! A straight answer from Kumiko…time to push my advantage…heh, virgin by choice or by chance? Oh wait…put that mallet down, just a joke just a joke,auugh!

Of course, Kumiko would never really hit me. Right? Why’s everyone backing away from me?

Mordin · August 1, 2001, 11:26pm

I think the preception of a girl being a virgin is overrated, if a girl is cute and attractive, the fact that whether she is a virgin or not plays no part in my desire for her.

Sandalphon · August 2, 2001, 9:03am

prized possession??
that’s just a vain possession… nowadays you can have it… but you might be acting worst than those girls that don’t have it…

scuddman · August 2, 2001, 1:14pm

I disagree with that…depends on how you view sex. Some people consider it casual. Then of course to them virginity is no big deal. Some people view it as a big deal…
Sex could involve no emotion if that’s how you want it to be, but some of us like to believe that there’s more.

Just take the whole typical shoujo first kiss thing. Seriously, a kiss is nothing. But it’s nice to have that first kiss with somebody you really like and care for, it makes that kiss all the more special and memorable. At the same time, it’s just a kiss, it depends on how you equate it.

Sex, same idea. You save yourself for marriage if you feel that way…otherwise why not just sleep with whatever gives sexual pleasure?

Tsukiyono_Omi · August 2, 2001, 5:54pm

It is an infantile superstition of the human spirit that virginity would be thought a virtue and not the barrier that separates ignorance from knowledge. ~Voltaire

Kaiser_Fire · August 2, 2001, 6:24pm

WOW, this discussion about virgin is getting deep so I thought I dip in as well
Well, in the old times people used to see virgin girls as girls that are wearing a crown or in other words she is still considered highly valuable. When she is married, the crown is taken off because now she belongs to the husband.

However, the world has change and so has the believe of people. Nowadays, as long as there is a good protector it doesn’t matter beacuse it is sometime considered a daily activity. Some girls even do it so that they won’t be embarassed in front of their friends as being a virgin. Still, there still some girls left that value virginity

In my opinion, please don’t get offended minna, I respect girls who value their virginity but if I really love the girl and I know that she loves me too then it doesn’t matter anymore. Isn’t that what true love is about ?

Question for everyone, what would you do in your wedding night or your first night with your girlfriend, if you found out that your girl is not a virgin (assuming that you never done it with her, which I assume is impossible , and she she never tells you):
A.Get angry and probably divorce her/break up
B.Hold her and say that it’s okay
C.Think nothing of it
D.Consult with her about current issue
E.Other
P.S.Just a fun quiz, don’t take it seriously

Sandalphon · August 2, 2001, 7:53pm

obviously that the answers will change…
A = an old shaped guy…
B = really love her and… blah blah blah…
C = "who cares about the hymen?.. that stuff doesn’t indicates virginity… necessarily"
D = maybe a bit curious…
E = talking about dissapointments… or maybe…

those are my opinions…

Sandalphon · August 2, 2001, 9:50pm

heh heh heh… so i made the 100th reply in this forum… this is the bigger one available after Doug’s one…

scuddman · August 4, 2001, 12:43am

Voltaire had it right in one sense…
Virginity does not equal virtue…thinking that being a virgin is necessarily virtuous is a fallacy. Because a girl is a virgin does NOT mean she is necessarily a nice person…that’s just ignorant.

That doesn’t mean virginity has no meaning. For if virginity has no meaning, then sex has no meaning…

Besides, there are some valid reasons to stay a virgin…
1. No risk of pregnancy. Of all things, prevention is the best cure.
2. No risk of STD’s. Once again prevention is the best cure.
3. Eliminates possible emotional trauma caused from having any emotional attachments to what many people consider purely physical.

Tsukiyono_Omi · August 4, 2001, 1:12pm

<> when will Tokimeki Checkin be shipped???

Sandalphon · August 4, 2001, 4:31pm

according to Peter’s J-list update… Tokimeki Check In is actually shipping back to you… is that right??

Doug · August 5, 2001, 8:20am

Peter’s update said that Tokimeki Check-In was at the replicators and that it would ship when they got their copies in.

Sandalphon · August 5, 2001, 10:11am

well… that’s what i tried to say!!
i was saying that in Peter’s J-list update he said that Tokimeki Check In should be shipping back to you (Peach Princess)…
gee… i don’t know what you understood…

Computermania · August 17, 2001, 9:34pm

I receved the game and I know the answer to the question. Total Virgin girls are Five girls. Should I say the name of five girls?

[This message has been edited by Computermania (edited 08-17-2001).]

Computermania · September 5, 2001, 12:16pm

Total of virgin girls are 5 girls. The five girls are Ayumi, Makoto, Mai, Kumi, and Natuki. This girls are virgin.

Computermania · September 7, 2001, 6:12pm

I said Makoto-san is a virgin becuase she never done before. Maybe she use viburate and train her self. So when she ready to have sex it will say it is tight. That I think. That why I say she is a virgin

moocow586 · July 25, 2006, 8:14pm

Thank you for putting up a quotation, the bane of humankind’s education as it gives the false impression that truth is somehow contain within a sentence and commits the logical fallacies of appeal to authority and hasty generalization.

Now I just have less respect for Voltaire rather than have more respect for that opinion regarding virginity.

a10sth · July 25, 2006, 8:16pm

dang someone sure has dug into history… you must have been on here for at least a few days going through all the posts this far back.

moocow586 · July 25, 2006, 8:24pm

Originally posted by Nobody:
How am I being self-righteous? Okay, let’s look at the different girls. Ayumi was explicitly stated to be a virgin, as was Natsuki. It was not explicitly stated about Kumi, however, given the information in the game, that she had not had very many opportunities to talk with guys and that she felt pain with penetration, it was very strongly implied that she was a virgin. With Mai, she felt pain at the beginning, and the protagonist thought, “Is she a virgin?” So, it was not explicitly stated, however, you are strongly led to believe it. The only character who was explicitly stated to have slept with a man before was Kyoka. She said in the boat that she was “…just a conquest…” for her last boyfriend. With Misato and Keiko, even if they had never slept with a man before, considering the toy they introduced Ayumi to, I do not think they could be considered, in good faith, virgins. That leaves Nanami, Yuki and Makoto. Nanami was a party girl. When the protagonist raped her, she enjoyed it. It even said something like, “…either she had been trained by an expert or was, naturally, incredibly sensitive.” Given her reactions, it was probably the former. Okay, I am merely stating my opinion here, but she is not a very serious character. Everything is casual for her, including, in my opinion, sex. I could definitely see her having one night stands with wild abandon. She simply wanted to enjoy herself. I think, much like Makoto, one of the problems she had dealing with the protagonist is that she felt more for him than simple lust. Since she was unaccustomed to such feelings, she was unsure how to deal with them or express them. Let’s look at Yuki, next. While I do not think that she was nearly as promiscuous as her busty idol persona may lead some to believe, neither do I think she was not exactly innocent either. She carried a great deal of disillusionment. I think a good deal of that was she had to compromise so much of her ideals and dreams in pursuit of her career. In the scene when the Spit crew were going to rape her, while she protested, she did not really fight it. We all saw how strongly she could fight something when she wished. While I doubt she wanted to have sex with the crew, it struck me that it had happened before. While she avoided it whenever she could, she would go along with it if it was absolutely necessary. Finally, there is Makoto. As Miss Kumiko said, she had only known the protagonist for three years. Why would she save herself for somebody she had never met? Makoto was a very straighforward girl. She was the type, in my opinion, to take what she wanted. I could see her clubbing a guy over the head and “borrowing” what she wanted from him until she had scratched her itch. Also, based on my impression of her character, that is probably the best description for her view of sex: an itch to be scratched. The problem is that, with the protagonist, she wanted his heart. You cannot simply take someone’s heart (well, you can, but there is a lot of blood involved, and it’s a pain darn hard to open up a ribcage ). This caused Makoto to freeze, since she did not know what course of action to follow. As I stated, though, that is simply my impression of her.
The thing is, Tokimeki Check-in! is a fairly straightforward game. It is a comedy to boot. It is pretty much black and white without a great deal of hidden meaning (as opposed to symbolism). I simply feel that it was also straightforward about who was and was not a virgin. Unless it said that one was a virgin, or, in Mai’s case, strongly implied it, I would not think they are one.
Also, real life is very different from a game. A game is written. What is in written can be fairly easily read, and that is the way it is in the world of the game. In the real world, things get sticky. People lie. Also, as we were talking about, there are many grey areas. If a girl’s hymen is broken while riding a horse, is she still a virgin? Also, in this country, the average age for a girl to lose her virginity is 14. By the time girls reach 16, one in five is still a virgin. By 18, that drops to one in ten. By the time they reach 22, the end of college, it is less than one in twenty. So, in the real world, if you had ten girls between 18 and 24, statistically speaking, only one of them would be a virgin. Of course, those are the statistics for the entire country. If you looked a specific cross-section, it may vary. Shoot, I’m digressing. The point is that it is a game, not real life. It is a very entertaining game. It is also entertaining to conjecture about aspects in the game, including the virginity of the characters. While I may not have a discussion with people as to whether ten random girls sitting a table were virgins or not, I have had conversations about virginity in general or statistically with people. I have also had conversions about genocide and torture. I do not see anything wrong about discussing something as a matter of intellectual inquiry. I do not judge people based on they’re views or actions unless they affect me directly. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I am merely stating mine. How is that being self-rightous?

Hey Nobody, could you show me where you got your statistics? I’m curious. Thanks