What's the Deal With Breasts?

Visual Novel Community Archive, 2000-2009
#81

Yeah, that’s true in “male orianted” anime and games. I don’t know if it holds water with shoujo stuff at all. It also depends on the creator. Looking at a shounen series like Chobits, you have the high school girl Yumi with the largest breasts. Then the teacher and landlord, both older, have smaller breasts. (Anyone who doesn’t own this series should check it out) But there are plenty of “older = bigger” titles out there such as MahoRomatic. The teacher who is supposed to be in her late 20s has huge breasts compared to the other characters. I think that “older = bigger” is a sterotype and not a rule. It seems to be more true in bishoujo games due to their highly sexual nature. It really depends on the style and the artist’s taste.

[This message has been edited by bishounen_blue (edited 07-10-2004).]

#82

Yeah… I’ve also seen a few exceptions where all the girls are the same age and they’ll give them different breast sizes just to… uh… make them different, I guess. Season of the Sakura was like this, and Casual Romance Club to some degree, although the artistic rendering of the differences in the girls that were the same age in CRC was sometimes so slight as to be almost unnoticeable.

#83

I don’t really care about the boobies in these games… my question is why do you never get to see the guy’s dick? Like for example in Dokyusei 2 with one of the girls, the guy actually turned into an outline in the H-scene. I can contemplate boobies inflating consistently to the point where a girl hovers off the ground and into oblivion, but penis dissapearing acts? That’s just way too odd for me…

#84

Well, actually, that’s an inconsistant sort of thing… some games seem to show them, and some don’t. In the ones that don’t, it seems to be so that you can better see the opening that it’s being inserted into (why? I don’t know… it’d make more sense just to draw the whole thing realistically to me). But of the last four games games I’ve played, I’m pretty sure that all but one of them showed the male organ every time… Only one pair of small (not “non-existant”) breasts, though…

#85
quote:
Originally posted by Princess Bleh:
I don't really care about the boobies in these games... my question is why do you never get to see the guy's dick? Like for example in Dokyusei 2 with one of the girls, the guy actually turned into an outline in the H-scene.

Whoever in the world(guys and gals) like to see naked guy in H scenes? That's the answer.

#86

No, it’s because of censoring issues.
I prefer them to be consistent, though.

#87

I don’t think it is censoring when they leave the opening but do not show what is being inserted otherwise they would not show the opening either. No I think it has more to do with the idea of who is the primary audience and who is perhaps drawing it.

If the answer to both is males, well there is your answer which goes along with what Logicgate was saying. Sure they want to sell to females too which is why they do show it sometimes in the game and not others, is perhaps one way to look at it. Maybe not entirely correct, but probably more so then incorrect.

#88

… screw looking at penises, why aren’t there more lesbian scenes?

(Actually, is there a list anywhere of which games have girl/girl content? I don’t think any english game is ALL yuri yet, but many games have one or two bits…)

#89

There is no list, but now that you mention it I can think of a few games off the top of my head that have girl/girl interactions.

#90

Eww, lesbians… I don’t want them in the games I play.

#91

They need more guy on guy in these games. =D I’ve played a few actually where you can “end up” with your best friend… LOL

#92

I don’t know if there’d be a large enough market for that… although it seems like I read something somewhere about a yaoi game getting translated to English. Or maybe I just misunderstood…

#93

End up with best friend? Well, in True Love, you don’t exactly end up with Kazuhiko. :stuck_out_tongue:

What you probably heard, Wolfson, is Peter Payne looking into translating yaoi games.

#94

Hmmm… That sounds about right. Not that I’d be interested in anything of the sort, but I guess that someone must figure there’s a market for them somewhere if they’re even thinking about doing it…

#95
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfson:
I don't know if there'd be a large enough market for that... although it seems like I read something somewhere about a yaoi game getting translated to English. Or maybe I just misunderstood...

Peter was attempting to gauge interest in such a thing possibly happening. In other words, "nothing definite".

#96

Hmmm… why doesn’t he try guaging interest in a yuri game?

#97

In my opinion, there is just as much of a potential market for yaoi bishoujo games among the anime community as there is for any other genre of bishoujo games. Yaoi is going to alienate the majority of your usual buyers (male gamers) but you could easily make up for that with all of the yaoi fangirls that seem to be floating around on the internet and propogating like rabbits. The difficult part would be in marketing the genre of bishoujo games alone to those prospective buyers… which would be difficult, since most people (male, female or yaoi-inclined) still think of the bishoujo genre as being strictly porn with nothing but gratuitous H-scenes throughout.

What it all depends on (in marketing yaoi bishoujo to a female audience) is substance; that being the quality and theme of the games themselves. I doubt that very many non-Japanese fans of the bishoujo genre would have ever considered a game like Kana based on the face-value of it being a brother+sister pairing, for one such example. The truth is that if all B-fans were looking for was just hentai, they would be searching for it on Google instead of spending $60 on a bishoujo game about a brother who falls in love with his sister. The gameplay substance and character depth plays a large role in selling most of these games… most all of which is spread by word of mouth… so it’s all about creating the market first.

At least, that’s just my perspective…

EDIT: Oh, and BTW, I know that for many people who play B-games they only really are interested in the H-scenes. I’m just saying that there are just as many people who like these games for more than that (which could be played on in obtaining a female market for some yaoi B-games).

[This message has been edited by Princess Bleh (edited 07-29-2004).]

#98
quote:
Originally posted by Princess Bleh:
but you could easily make up for that with all of the yaoi fangirls that seem to be floating around on the internet and propogating like rabbits.

*nods*
Exactly what I thought too. There ought to be a mainly female audience that this kind of games should appeal to, even though most of the already existing male audience (including me) wouldn't be very thrilled about them.


quote:
Originally posted by Princess Bleh:
The difficult part would be in marketing the genre of bishoujo games alone to those prospective buyers... which would be difficult, since most people (male, female or yaoi-inclined) still think of the bishoujo genre as being strictly porn with nothing but gratuitous H-scenes throughout.

and

quote:
What it all depends on (in marketing yaoi bishoujo to a female audience) is substance;

:

Err, let's start using a probably more correct terminology:
A Yaoi-game would never really be called bishoujou-games to begin with. This word means "pretty girl" while a yaoi story i suppposed to focus on "pretty boys", so they'd be called bishounen-games.

Because these games are also originally made for a female audience, I believe it is important to point out this difference and thus avoid any confusion between their bishounen-games and the bishoujou games and those among them that are (sadly but probably truly) sold most as well as are PWP-sexfests.

[This message has been edited by Unicorn (edited 07-30-2004).]

#99

The topic we’re talking about is here:
http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001729.html

#100

Actually, one would assume that someone out there figures that there is a market for yaoi games, otherwise the topic wouldn’t have even come up in the first place.

I would figure that part of the idea would be to appeal to a female audience. They wouldn’t likely appeal to most of the people who bought bishoujo games, since they are more than likely interested in pretty girls, not, as Unicorn pointed out bishounen. Certainly, I’m not going to rush out and buy one, but if people like Princess Bleh want them, and it will help the bishoujo market in general, I say, "More power to you."

I don’t know whether it’s a pipe dream or not, but I suppose like most things in this industry, it’s one of those things that we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.