I think I can agree that futanari is “not normal”. But why would I care whether it’s normal or not? It’s entirely irrelevant to whether I like it or not.
Incest is an ever-popular theme in porn, for example, but most people would flee in terror at the sight of it in real life.
Because the original question was about “why don’t people like futanari”, not “why would they like them”? I’m so sorry I answered the question asked instead of debating about how the answers don’t make sense for you or Narg!
So, sure, if someone asks you “what time it is?” and I tell him “it’s 3:00pm”, you and Narg can debate all you want about how time is a subjective notion, how the present doesn’t truly exist because it changes constantly and how it’s never the same time everywhere on Earth because of time-shifts, fact is my answer is correct and yours are just being jerks about the matter.
Dude… why are you sniping like that? I am giving you the answer as given by the medical community. Time being subjective is a philosophical debate. Sex is a biological fact. It’s like you’re arguing against 0.9999~ equals 1, because you don’t like the answer.
I’ve referred you (and others who are reading this debate) to peer panel review medical sites and medical journals that give you the answer. The same answer I’ve been telling you. Hell… even the substandard Wikipedia has this topic basically understood (if only because they are copying Britannica Online). I obviously respect you as an online friend, and therefore I respect your opinions… but if you’re going to claim someone is incorrect, please don’t use the, “because I say so and everyone else is wrong” response. It belittles your own argument… especially when everything on the topic completely goes against what you claim.
Progestin-induced virilisation: proven medical situation of a dickgirl that’s classified as female.
Persistent m√ºllerian duct syndrome: proven medical situation of a dickgirl (or vaginaboy if you prefer) that’s classified as male.
It doesn’t get anymore simpler than that. Just exactly where are you getting your “facts” from? What doctor? What medical site? Why are you trying to make this a reductio ad absurdum? It’s definitive biology - not theoretical physics. We can take this to an authentic medical forum if you want: they’re just going to tell you the same thing I am. There are male dickgirls and there are female dickgirls. That’s not what Narg or Nandemonai are saying, that’s what the EXPERTS are saying. Like it or not, that’s how it goes.
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I’ve gone back and edited this post, to make it not sound “jerk” as I can. I eventually found this awesomely graphic case (don’t go if you have a weak stomach) on the Geneva Foundation for Medical Education and Research site. Its the surgically removed uterus, fallopian tubes and upper vagina from a MALE (and note all the medical documentation, distinctly denote him a male - not some “third sex” - as do all other cases of Persistent m√ºllerian duct syndrome. It eventually refers back to the original medical site I mentioned previously, for more detailed information.
On the original topic:
A lot of people don’t like futanari because most of us are not bisexual. In other words, we don’t like our cherished females to have an additional dick. It’s really that simple.
MrBiggens: let’s try to avoid the harsh rhetoric, ok? People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, etc. We all have our own unique tastes in these parts.
Olf and Narg: May I recommend this stellar treatise on the topic to you both:
To answer the “why not futanari” question, I think it’s true that many people don’t see the attraction in abnormal/paranormal/supernatural erotica, period. If it can’t happen in real life it shouldn’t happen in fiction. This begs the question “why catgirls”, which brings us to the category difference between animal ears stuck on a girl and a penis stuck on a girl - but are they really that different?
For us to be having this discussion obviously the answer is “yes”. I have the feeling this distinction is largely grounded in culturally ingrained notions of sexuality that many of us have, but that are much weaker in Japan - futanari and animal ears receive relatively similar treatment in the Japanese fetish pantheon, and obviously futanari isn’t nearly the taboo here that it is elsewhere.
Perhaps one of the reasons for this is that futanari, like catgirls, are often depicted as purely fantastic creatures, and it’s easy for the Japanese mind to divorce them from reality (sorry for the Nihonjinron, it’s to make a point), whereas us Westerners tend to conjure up images of ghoulish Frankenstein’s-monster-esque chimaeras when we think of a woman with a penis on.
Just my two cents.
Edit: Oh, and “futanari” is consistently one of the top daily search terms of J-List’s product database. Take that for what you will.
No, I was on topic; I said arguing something’s “not normal” is irrelevant. Saying that something is “not normal” doesn’t really mean jack squat, since 90% of what happens in most h-games isn’t normal anyway; yet people have no issue with most h-games. People even like the XChange series, which as the original poster pointed out, is very close to futa (all those guys hitting on Takuya always kind of weirded me out). I also raised the incest fetish, which is popular precisely BECAUSE it’s not normal. “It’s not normal” isn’t a good answer, because so many other things that are not normal are not stigmatized. So if someone says they don’t like futa because it’s “not normal”, but don’t also complain about all the other unnatural things going on in b-games, almost certainly they really mean something else.
Personally, I lean towards the “smacks of bisexuality” explanation myself.
I have nothing against dickgirls, it’s only that I would like to have the exclusive dickstribution rights during my sex time 8) .
Besides, I fear uncontrolled wild dicks more …
I had not checked this forum in a while and I didn’t realize how much of an uproar my post caused.
From what I can tell, I think that a lot of people have mistaken beliefs about futanari. I think that people consider “futanari” the same as transgender or cross-dressing males. I.e., it has “guy on guy” content in it. While this is sometimes true, the stories that people tend to enjoy more universally are what I consider an advanced form of “yuri” (lesbian). The dual-gendered person in question is almost always a real girl, but through magic or some scientific accident, her clitoris becomes a more-or-less functional penis. These yuri-styled futanari don’t have testicles (visibly, at least), and they are not bisexual and only seek out other girls.
In fact, the “cute” heroines often get embarrassed by their new feature, and often show a little resistance when they find themselves becoming attracted to women all of the sudden. For instance, Mizuki’s story in Yin-Yang X-change Alternative.
I personally thought that Naisho no Tintin Time was all right, and it was pretty original in spots. The developers were definitely innovative in the H scenes, at least.
You can purchase the game via download at DLsite here. Note that while the interface is in Japanese DLsite does accept foreign credit cards - if you need any tips on making a purchase let me know, I’d be happy to help.
If you have to ask, the answer is probably “no”, sadly. You can find a list of games with patches released and those that are currently in translation here; the VisualNews forums are also a good place to investigate if you want to organize a fan translation project of your own.
Even if/when the game is translated you’ll probably need that DLsite link, unless you plan to import a package version of the game (it’s currently out of print, so that could prove a bit difficult).
For games like this, improving your Japanese to a level where you could enjoy them might be a more realistic alternative to ever seeing them translated into English, alas.
Speaking of futanari, SkyFish’s latest game seems to have plenty of it. Esspecially since the main character is female and seems like she can turn futa or male at will.
Don’t mistake sex for Gender - the one is what you are born with, the other is much more flexible. Throughout the world you will find different definitions of what it means to be male and female; attributes western society applies to one do not always mesh with the definitions of other cultures. Since we seem to be discussing gender differentiation on a social level, I won’t mention personal gender indentification here - though it is a real thing.
Socially, if an individual is defined as, behaves as and is treated as a specific gender, it falls into that category no matter its physical attributes. Some cultures do not even recognize the gender of a child until it reaches a certain age - which can be around 4 or 5, but might not occur until its adulthood ceremonies; usually around puberty. There are also cases in which a boy or girl will be raised as their oposite gender and, until the differences become obviouse, they are treated as such. (and, thus, effectively are such)
Case in point; let us say you go out to a club/bar/pub whathaveyou and meet a sweet and attractive woman. The two of you talk, you buy her some drinks, pull out the stool for her, open her door, and in all other ways treat her like a woman - because that is how you have gender identified her. As it predictably turns out, (or I wouldn’t be using the example) when you get back to the hotel, she confides in you that she is a transvestite, at which point you react as you feel appropriate. The point is, however, that until that moment she was a woman; everyone at the bar treated her like a woman; and she behaved that way when you communicated. Despite whether or not she has a penis, her gender is female.
This directly applies to the conversation at hand, because I keep seeing you insist that dickgirls are neither male nor female, which is socially incorrect - they are whichever society treats them as and they in turn behave as. Now, if they wandered around with their comedically overlarge penises (using the hentai imagine for visualization purposes) hanging out, but still demonstrated the behavior of a female (or likewise their overlarge breasts but acted male) then it is likely perceptions would be divided - and some actions would certainly be extreme - but if the individual is showing a distinct gender biase then you’ll still hear “Ew, what’s she doing?” or “He’s got to be kidding!” … society identifies you by how you behave. (mind you, such a person would probably be forced to move, because there are a lot of hatemongers in the world - but again, they would be identified as their chosen gender in the new location)
Sex and gender do usually affect one another, but they don’t have to.
Looks well drawn - but either I need to learn to speak japanese, or japan has to give in and adopt english as its national language … considering how lazy I tend to be, I think I’ll be holding out for the later.