It’s still unconfirmed, but word has it that Will is pulling out.
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Also, with Will, according to Lamuness, withdrawing from PP, PP may not have much other choice than getting lots of gmaes from Crowd as soon as all Will-works now being worked onh ave been worked on and released...
Errr... OK. I haven't actually read all the post lately, but, I don't recall anything about this. Lamuness, can you confirm this, please? And/or can anyone pinpoint the thread with this post?
It wasn’t a post. As stated in the replies, this was said on IRC. Nandemonai has logs that he could show.
Sorry, guys. Looks like it’s a big misunderstanding. I hate to be responsible for starting rumors of any sort, so let me clarify this here.
I was MISTAKEN. It was late and I misremembered the conversation.
I went to go find the IRC log in question so I could be a bit more specific here, and it appears that Lamuness never said anything about Will at all. He was talking about Sweet Basil, not Will. I guess I got confused because Sweet Basil is one of Will’s labels.
Here is the conversation in question.
[EDIT: stupid BBS code isn’t properly handling the < and > characters]
[00:24] (mune-chan) your lmm book
[00:24] (mune-chan) i think it’s better if u keep your extra copy
[00:25] (Nandemonai) really? why is that?
[00:25] (mune-chan) it may become very valuable in time
[00:25] (Nandemonai) oh, you mean after the release of the game?
[00:26] (mune-chan) maybe but not necessarily
[00:26] (mune-chan) lets just say right now the chance of releasing pandora’s box is very slim
[00:26] (mune-chan) and the chance of lmm2 is zero
[00:26] (Nandemonai) uh … huh?
[00:27] * Nandemonai didn’t think there WAS an LMM2
[00:27] (mune-chan) well
[00:27] (mune-chan) there is
[00:27] (mune-chan) or plans to rlease it this summer (in japan)
[00:27] (Nandemonai) uh … huh
[00:27] (Nandemonai) and why aren’t we getting it?
[00:27] (Nandemonai) we don’t want it?
[00:27] (Nandemonai) or they won’t give it to us?
[00:27] (mune-chan) they can’t
[00:27] (Nandemonai) can’t? how do you mean?
[00:28] (mune-chan) sweetbasil is closing down in june
[00:28] (Nandemonai) oookay
[00:28] (Nandemonai) so we release LMM and then no more Sweet Basil games ever
[00:28] (Doddler) hmm, that sucks
[00:28] (Nandemonai) yeah, it does
[00:29] (Nandemonai) I’m sure there were other good games they did besides Snow Drop and LMM
[00:29] (mune-chan) the other labels are still intact though
[00:29] (Doddler) hmm, where is the demo for LMM?
[00:30] (Nandemonai) yeah but SweetBasil was easily my favorite
[00:30] (Nandemonai) I mean, Snow Drop; Little My Maid
[00:30] (Nandemonai) did Peter get the rights to any more SweetBasil titles he hasn’t publicly disclosed yet?
[00:30] (mune-chan) when i talked to peter about it, he thinks such things are normal, companies bring in new brands and ditch old ones
[00:30] (mune-chan) case in point: cocktail soft in F&C
[00:31] (Nandemonai) yah but it throws monkey wrenches in our plans
[00:31] (mune-chan) what plans?
[00:31] (Nandemonai) now if LMM is some huge hit (unlikely) they can’t do LMM2
[00:31] (Nandemonai) in general
[00:31] (Nandemonai) makes licensing more difficult in general
[00:31] (Nandemonai) I assume you’d planned more SweetBasil titles eventually?
[00:31] (Nandemonai) or was SweetBasil not very active?
[00:31] (mune-chan) not really to be honest
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Ah, OK this is a bit better. It still sucks that Sweet Basil is shutting down, because I loved Snow Drop, but at least it’s not like the company [Will] is abandoning PP. Which is what I was afraid was happening when I first read that.
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Originally posted by Nandemonai:
He was talking about Sweet Basil, not Will. I guess I got confused because Sweet Basil is one of Will's labels.
Ahhh. A small relief, even if that still hurts.
I think, among all the remaining Sweet Basil-titles at least
- Vie - Itsuka no natsu no hi
- Itsuka no sora
would have been interesting candidates for a localization.
Well, if things are this way I now have to grab a used copy of Itsuka no sora a.s.a.p.
( ...and I am even more grateful for getting the mentioned copy of the LMM-artbook. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] )
I was quite amzazed when Will started that many new labels last year. But I never expected they were also going to cut off already existing ones after that...
Aaargh!
I just checked at Will’s website:
Not only Sweet Basil but also rouge is gone…
That’s it for any chnace of Utsukushii Hime and Kairaku I suppose…
* bawls *
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
Right, but they would have been great candidates as well.
No denying that here :/.
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Not quite. The three that I mentioned are either outstanding in gameplay (Utsukushii Hime with its Item-creating system) or in Story (Dokusen and Oyaji Bazaar). Kairaku is special in our case but not really a competition for those three.
Isuka no Sora on the other hand...
True that it may not really be a comptetion expect for in terms of story, but still... Dunno about Itsuka no Sora myself; the demo shows gameplay that may be interesting, but I dunno about the story ;p.
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Err, you meant CROWD and not Will, right? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
But if things stay this way, PeachPrincess ought to think about changing the name to CROWD-USA ... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
[img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]. Indeed they might have to consider that XD.
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Hmmmm, I wonder if we will ever see the potatoe-heads in a localized version? It is an entirely different artstyle and hardly recognizable as a CROWD game.
True that it has hardly got the look of a Crowd-game, but remember that ti has many elements that would be liked here - A SIM-part apart from the normal "ADV-stuff" might be liked by the people here. And it seems to be more like a "love game" than a "brutish game", which is to be considered a plus in most cases [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img].
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Of course, FRnY would be great because it has a special gameplay and thus fulfills a similar request as Brave Soul. And if games like Roast a vigin gets a chance, this story is almost harmless... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]
At least you are more in control here than in most other games.
Yes, indeed. and comapred to G-collections so-far release of brutish games, this has more gameplay than them. And a MUCH better story than any of the brutish games they've released so far.
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And OMnY... well, I don't think I can recommend that...
But there is also Miss you that still might be better.
OMnY might not be the best one they could release, but if they wanted to release something in a short time, OMnY could be it. And it has cute maids, as I've already said [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]. Miss You might be better... but don't we know too little of that game in order to judge that yet?
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However, losing Will is not a good omen...I just checked at Will's website:
Not only Sweet Basil but also rouge is gone... That's it for any chnace of Utsukushii Hime and Kairaku I suppose...
* bawls *
Well, we're not losing will then, but as you made a point of, it seems like some of their titles are now out of reach forever [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img]. Still, if we still have a chance with Ruf, then Oyaji-bazaar and Dokusen both stand a very, very small chance of getting out here. Not much, I suppose, but better than nothing :/. And it'd be better than more Guilty-titles, I guess.
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
True that it has hardly got the look of a Crowd-game, but remember that ti has many elements that would be liked here - A SIM-part apart from the normal "ADV-stuff" might be liked by the people here. And it seems to be more like a "love game" than a "brutish game", which is to be considered a plus in most cases.
I think I can agree to that. But don't forget the weak point of the game that Kagami pointed out: The SIM exists only for one of the girl and the other three are quite usual ADV-style...
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
OMnY might not be the best one they could release, but if they wanted to release something in a short time, OMnY could be it. And it has cute maids, as I've already said.
You think they can compete with the LMM-maids? Hardly, I'd say..
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Miss You might be better... but don't we know too little of that game in order to judge that yet?
Of course, you have a point there. But if I now start playing Miss You as well in order to acquire that knowledge, I'll never find Bellninetta, Sheryl and the real ending of Saikyou... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Well, we're not losing will then, but as you made a point of, it seems like some of their titles are now out of reach forever.
Quite right.. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/frown.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
Still, if we still have a chance with Ruf, then Oyaji-bazaar and Dokusen both stand a very, very small chance of getting out here.
Taking earlier Infos into account, I fear that this small chance is very close to zero...
- "Peter and others think that Dokusen is too hard on the girls"
- "Slave Bazaar is unlikely because it was made by a third party"
But at least they are worth hoping that some people change their minds in these matters...
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Originally posted by Spectator Beholder:
And it'd be better than more Guilty-titles, I guess.
Yes, but with GUILTY and R√∫f being the two remaining old labels and those prevciously mentioned restrictions on R√∫f, what titles seem more likely then...
( Hint: Langmaor definitely not! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] )
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Originally posted by Benoit:
[quote] Sorry but I can't.
Why? [/quote]
A firewall blocks my path to the IRC-server.
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
A firewall blocks my path to the IRC-server.
ya can't blame him coz it's the same thing for me at school too...can use icq msn etc but just not irc
Well the front page here now announces that X-Change 3 is being officially licensed by Peach Princess for release in the U.S. for those that are interested.
Are they any other titles any of us would know that Sweet Basil did other then the two already mentioned?
W00T! Then Will is not pulling out! Goodie goodie.
And I was right to say that we couldn’t be sure because it wasn’t confirmed officially yet.
Why would we not be getting LMM2 if Sweet Basil closes down? Isn’t it still Will’s property and thus it could be licensed?
In any case, if LMM2 isn’t a real sequel, it’s no big loss, I guess.
So Peach Princess is getting X-Change 3, and working on it… Argh, then it will get resources away from LMM and Gun Shield Warrior SAKIGAKE. I thought that now Brave Soul and Gibo being out the door, there would be more fruitful results by working on just two titles, instead of three…
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Oh I don’t think the resources are going from either game they have been promised too long they would have a riot on their hands if they delayed them for a game whose rights just came to them.
how it works (for peapri, at least) is that after rough editing and testing for a title (like what ladyphoenix did for gibo and me for BS and lmm, although i tend to work more on the technical side) it gets funnelled to one core group for final testing and polishing, and this group (and only one group unfortunately, peapri isn’t a big company) does this for one title at a time so techincally new titles shouldn’t affect the progress for lmm (well maybe a bit but should be minimum)
it’s like when gibo is doing final testing by this group of people i am doing the editing and debugging for lmm. now that gibo is done i can shove lmm to the final pipeline, etc etc etc
for lmm2, we have no idea what is is about, no info was released in japan before sweet basil closes down. so that means the project didn’t even begin development at all, i don’t think.
So there isn’t even an LMM2 in Japan and might not be?
Wait so sweet basil and rouge is folding or are they just leaving the label? If they are folding and Wil/crowd still has the rights to it I don’t see why their games can’t be liscensed and localized?
When they fold the label, they may not keep anything like source and whatnot they don’t know they’re going to need. Nor would the people necessarily hang around.
In the case of Little My Maid they went back and had CG redrawn; they went back and got some of the developer’s planning materials (like flowcharts) so it would be easier to test the game.
If a label has folded it basically means “we’d have to do everything ourselves”, which can be read as “not happening”.
One of the basic problems that I see in what seems to be the very fluid world of bishoujo games…
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Originally posted by Unicorn:
I think I can agree to that. But don't forget the weak point of the game that Kagami pointed out: The SIM exists only for one of the girl and the other three are quite usual ADV-style...
That's an obivious point; only one girl has the SIM aspect. But still, one is better than one at all, some would no doubt say. and thye might prefer a game with only one "SIM-girl", rather than a game with no SIM parts at all (OMnY)...
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You think they can compete with the LMM-maids? Hardly, I'd say..
Didn't say that they could comptete (don't know either games well enough to comment on that), but they would do better than nothing. And it might give PP a kind of maid-theme [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]. Still, I'd only advice PP to release OMnY in two events: all games run out and not much other choice or: working on other gmae,s but it'll tkae like 2-3 years to get it done while OMnY willt ake only 1 year or so, meaning that OMnY can be released to fill the void and give the PP fans soemthing to play; better than nothing.
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Of course, you have a point there. But if I now start playing Miss You as well in order to acquire that knowledge, I'll never find Bellninetta, Sheryl and the real ending of Saikyou... [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/tongue.gif[/img]
Oh, I wouldn't advise yout o pull out of those for anything int he world! ;p. but as soon as you're finished, why not let Miss You be your target? [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img].
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Taking earlier Infos into account, I fear that this small chance is very close to zero...
"Peter and others think that Dokusen is too hard on the girls"
"Slave Bazaar is unlikely because it was made by a third party"
But at least they are worth hoping that some people change their minds in these matters...
You forgot a third problem with Dokusen: it won't be possible to redraw the CG's,t hus the mosaics has to remain ;p. I dunno how the SB problem could be solved :/. But I think that Peter perhaps should rethink that part about being "hard on the girls". I've seen worse than that and besides, if other companies seem to do well enough with their dark games, perhaps even selling more of them than of their other games then it may be a bad thing to not go with the flow, so to speak... Besides, I think that if he thinks that dokusen is har don the girls, then how can he even think about Slave Bazaar? Or have he seen nothing of the dark scenarios of the girls at all?
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Yes, but with GUILTY and R√∫f being the two remaining old labels and those prevciously mentioned restrictions on R√∫f, what titles seem more likely then...
( Hint: Langmaor definitely not! [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] )
XD. Wakatta, wakatta. But actually, just because that Langamor focus on a... specific theme that might not be too popular with some of us hre (;p), it doesn't mean that their games are bad. Also, didn't Peter claim that he'd throught on releasing such game here anyway? Then it's not impossible that however much some of us may dislike or disapprove of it, we may still se Langmaor's games here.