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Originally posted by Italicus:
Lamuness sama, it s possible to ask them how sales went in Italy?
......how the hell do i know?! i dont even know the sales for our own games to begin with :P
@ ecchifan
Currently, me and my friends are focusing our investigation on both european and american antithrust laws. It seems to be worth of profit - can’t tell you exactly, because a) i want to prevent G-Coll from blocking us and b) currently i’m not the lawyer, just the promoteur of this effort.
You make the explicit assumption that anyone age 18+ wouldn’t be embarrassed to play these games. I think you’re dead wrong. Do you live in the U.S.? Many people here, probably even most people, would be mortified if word got out that they played weird cartoon porn games in their spare time. My first point doesn’t directly concern this issue of being found out. Rather, I’m looking at the cognitive factors involved in acknowledging such a fetish (for that’s what society considers it) even to oneself. My second point considers the irrational fear of being found out due to inerasable evidence of one’s (perceived) transgression.
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Originally posted by Italicus:
@ ecchifanCurrently, me and my friends are focusing our investigation on both european and american antithrust laws.
I'm not usually into that sort of humor, but this IS funny. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
[Joke copyright Dark_Shiki 10/16/2004. All rights reserved.]
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I'm not usually into that sort of humor, but this IS funny. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
Dark Shiki, this is not fun. We are acting seriously.
What really bothers me in the whole affair is the matter YOU HAVE TO STAY CONNECTED TO PLAY WITH THIS V-MATE SYSTEM. I think it's an abuse. after all, they are not the owners of your internet connection contract, right? So they can't force you to use it as they like.
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Anyone realize that fatal relations has been out for over 6 years? Anyone here ever crack that out and play it lately? I just started playing it today. I couldn’t believe it has already been that long, but it has. Just something to think about with this v-mate deal.
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
You make the explicit assumption that anyone age 18+ wouldn't be embarrassed to play these games. I think you're dead wrong. Do you live in the U.S.? Many people here, probably even most people, would be mortified if word got out that they played weird cartoon porn games in their spare time. My first point doesn't directly concern this issue of being found out. Rather, I'm looking at the cognitive factors involved in acknowledging such a fetish (for that's what society considers it) even to oneself. My second point considers the irrational fear of being found out due to inerasable evidence of one's (perceived) transgression.[This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 10-16-2004).]
To be honest, if the user doesn't have the ability to acknowledge this "fetish" openly, maybe he shouldn't be using this product. Are people embarrassed at being caught buying Playboy at the newstand? some yes, some no. In any event, both instances (being found out, and the "fetish" acknowledgment) involve factors unique to the individuals. And they're really beyond the consideration of manufacturers/publishers/distributors, imo.
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Originally posted by Italicus:
@ ecchifanCurrently, me and my friends are focusing our investigation on both european and american antithrust laws. It seems to be worth of profit - can't tell you exactly, because a) i want to prevent G-Coll from blocking us and b) currently i'm not the lawyer, just the promoteur of this effort.
Let me give you a word of advice---American antitrust law isn't an issue. Not unless you could somehow show that G-C and PP are acting in collusion in some way to the detriment of the U.S. market. Now if PP starts using a VM-like system, maybe you'll have something there. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Dark Shiki, this is not fun. We are acting seriously.What really bothers me in the whole affair is the matter YOU HAVE TO STAY CONNECTED TO PLAY WITH THIS V-MATE SYSTEM. I think it's an abuse. after all, they are not the owners of your internet connection contract, right? So they can't force you to use it as they like.
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Actually, they (G-C) isn't forcing you to do anything. You're absolutely NOT required to play Let's Meow Meow! If you want to play the game, then you'll have to deal w/ VM issues. LMM and VM are attached at the hips now. But it's your choice to play or not to play.
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Originally posted by smog:
Anyone realize that fatal relations has been out for over 6 years? Anyone here ever crack that out and play it lately? I just started playing it today. I couldn't believe it has already been that long, but it has. Just something to think about with this v-mate deal.
Are you predicting that G-C won't be around in 6 years?
[edit: replaced "hours" w/ "years" X_X]
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@Italicus: Lighten up Mr. Gloom & Doom. Back to the discussion…can’t you just use a modem? If you don’t have one, they’re cheap. And you can get a free ISP to go with it. You don’t HAVE to use your fee per connect DSL service for something like this.
@Ecchifan: Such things aren’t beyond the consideration of those parties if they’re losing money because of it. And in this case, G-collection’s V-mate would be directly responsible. I’d also like to add that the degree of embarassment between being caught with a Playboy and being caught red-handed with a copy Virgin Roster are magnitudes apart.
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
[BI'd also like to add that the degree of embarassment between being caught with a Playboy and being caught red-handed with a copy Water Closet are magnitudes apart. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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....but i still think u r screwed nevertheless :P
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Originally posted by Ecchifan:
LMM and VM are attached at the hips now.
I disagree. They could easily come out with a patch after release that modifies the V-mate system. I don't think it would be a big download. And even if it was, they could put it up on BitTorrent...
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Originally posted by Ecchifan:
Are you predicting that G-C won't be around in 6 years?[edit: replaced "hours" w/ "years" X_X]
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I don't know where they will be in 6 years, but looking at b-game translating companies in general, it sure doesn't look good, wouldn't you agree?
If this doesn't work out for GC, it sounds like they will be taking a big financial hit.
Here’s an unpleasant thought i just had… What if the result of the lower price and the implementation of this Virtual-Mate thing means that instead of buying the full game, as we assume to be the case, we’re just buying what amounts to a portal instead? In effect, you connect, boot the game, but the actual game isn’t on your computer, it’s on the G-C servers, and the program they sent you for however much it ends up being only accesses that particular game on their servers? Argh, this made alot more sense to me before i started typing… Anyone else had similar thoughs?
An interesting conspiracy theory…but no. G-collections doesn’t have money just laying around to frivolously burn on bandwidth. Do you know how big these games are? You can’t just redownload them every time you start the game. But I bet even pirate-users would give up if that were the case, crack or no crack.
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didn’t say it was a plausable theory, but a theory nonetheless. In retrospect you’re likely right, the bandwidth for the combined graphics, music and speech would be unwieldy at best. but i’d read the whole thread and surfed around a bit and that suddenly occured to me, so i figured i better speak up before it went away altogether. Plus it was the only way (to me) to justify having to take it online whenever i felt like playing it anyhow. That still seems pointless and excessive. I wouldn’t mind at all if after install all you had to do was go online, input the cd-key or whatever for a unlock code, then enter that into the game. Once.
Well that’s why V-mate is creating such a stir. It’s exceeding all current precedent in user-unfriendly-anti-piracy-ology. That’s why they said they’d lower the price.
I’d be okay with the V-Mate system if, instead of the planned 1 year of activation, G-Collections used it as a way of bringing omake to a legit registered user/s that would not be available on the cd itself; Something along the lines of extra or alternate CG’s, alternate game paths, MP3’s of music from the game or vocal collections inspired by the game, upgrades, updates, exclusive extra characters, art pictures from the game (including all backgrounds), alternate ingame voice-acting in different languages (if they exist), text that would show up while a vocal piece is playing (sort of like subtitles or something), developer notes, walk-thrus, or the ability to download some files so that a person can choose to play “family friendly, non-hentai-fied” version of the game itself, as well as the the usual “hentai-fied” version. Then I’d be okay with the V-Mate system.
Besides, if it is to be used as a legit form of product verification, why not just dispense with the actual cd/manual and make it a pure online direct download?
One thing that I could offer in G-Collection’s defense is that the V-Mate system was something non-negotiable that was required by the Japanese Licensors of the Let’s Meow-Meow game- but that’s something that I doubt anyone outside of the company would be privy to.
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Originally posted by OleGoatweed:
One thing that I could offer in G-Collection's defense is that the V-Mate system was something non-negotiable that was required by the Japanese Licensors of the Let's Meow-Meow game- but that's something that I doubt anyone outside of the company would be privy to.
Explain.