i think he means that gc is required/ordered by the original japanese companies to use vmate…which can be possible but unprobable because even the original japanese games have both standalone and internet versions for consumers to choose
I see. When I first read that, it sounded like a statement of fact rather than a conjecture. Sorry about that. These are tense times.
@OleGoatweed: I think you’re expecting a bit much there. Updates…probably. Music…maybe. Exclusive characters? Alternate paths? I don’t think so. G-collections translates games. They don’t make them. Since these games take a while to get over here, we’re probably seeing the final versions released in Japan. They sure couldn’t give us expansions or re-makes for free after-the-fact. Also, we have to consider their bandwidth again. They can’t be putting huge files up for download, or their costs are going to soar.
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Explain.
I made that explanation based on some of the things that I've read about in regards to stuff like the more recent licensing and localizing of anime here in the U.S.
One example would be things like certain companies not having the rights to subtitle (Viz)/dub (Funimation/Media Blasters) an opening/closing song or having to release a anime series with an episode or two (or even more) missing (e.g. such as Sailor Moon, with its missing episode in the first season or not having the entire Sailor Stars season being made available for the R1 market).
Of course, anime companies and bishoujo gaming companies are two different animals, but it wouldn't be all that hard to imagine that the bishoujo gaming companies might have certain stipulations for distributing their games. That's pretty much what I'm basing that assumption from- which may or may not be all that accurate anyhow.
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Sorry about that Lamuness and Dark_Shiki, I should’ve made it clearer that it was all just conjecture.
On the other hand, I could try to offer my own conspiracy-type theory explaining V-Mate that involves Strawberry Ninjas, U.F.O’s, the Illuminati, Alan Moore, Vampire Lemons, and the Matrix- but it’d be too darned boring.
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Originally posted by OleGoatweed:
...Vampire Lemons...
You've been here quite a while, haven't you? I've read quite a bit of this board, and I STILL don't know where that gag originated.
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
I think you're expecting a bit much there.
i cannot speak for gc directly, and i am not paid to promote their stuff (they are our competitors after all), and i am not paid to bash their stuff either (i'm not that low),but based on what i read on the japanese side of things, i think you will be in for a surprise :P
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
Lemons
i'd say dont worry about it too much, i am the bbs mod here and even i don't understand it myself :P
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I think you're expecting a bit much there. Updates...probably. Music...maybe. Exclusive characters? Alternate paths? I don't think so. G-collections translates games. They don't make them. Since these games take a while to get over here, we're probably seeing the final versions released in Japan. They sure couldn't give us expansions or re-makes for free after-the-fact. Also, we have to consider their bandwidth again. They can't be putting huge files up for download, or their costs are going to soar.
Yeah I know, none of what I put up there would've been very likely to ever happen- but it's always kind of fun to just toss things out like that. Guess you could put me down under the "Not likely to favor the V-Mate System Crowd", but I'll probably wait and see how it all pans out once LMeow gets released.
P.S. Yep, saw all that Vampire Lemon stuff over at the off-topic section and not the foggiest clue about how it came about either. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
You've been here quite a while, haven't you? I've read quite a bit of this board, and I STILL don't know where that gag originated.
I think the gag was started by LadyPhoenix
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Originally posted by Lamuness:
i cannot speak for gc directly, and i am not paid to promote their stuff (they are our competitors after all), and i am not paid to bash their stuff either (i'm not that low),but based on what i read on the japanese side of things, i think you will be in for a surprise :P
If you don't bash them because you're not paid to do so, then it's hardly because you're "not that low"...you're just lazy. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
Still...I'm intrigued. I have to say...I didn't expect anything worthwhile to come out of V-mate besides the lower prices.
There’s a certain thread that explains some of the gags, which I asked about. I’ll look for it later today, or something.
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Originally posted by Ecchifan:
Let me give you a word of advice---American antitrust law isn't an issue. Not unless you could somehow show that G-C and PP are acting in collusion in some way to the detriment of the U.S. market. Now if PP starts using a VM-like system, maybe you'll have something there. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
Dunno. As i said, i'm just the promoteur. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
Italian laws for privacy protection are far more intersting. Of course this will be limited to Italy only. But, after all, not so many italians that have CC cards buy hentai games. The vast majority uses local retailers, and these are in Italy, subjected to italian laws, remember this. Anyway i'm waiting for more news, so i can't tell your more than this. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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I think the gag was started by LadyPhoenix
Darn, there went my chance to blame it all on them time-traveling Luddites. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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based on what i read on the japanese side of things, i think you will be in for a surprise :P
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I didn't expect anything worthwhile to come out of V-mate besides the lower prices.
Heh, makes me wonder if that's where some of the uncensored CG's came from.
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There's a certain thread that explains some of the gags, which I asked about. I'll look for it later today, or something.
Thanks, sounds like it'll be a hoot to read up on.
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Found the explanations to the gags.
“Sacrifice a goat” gag:
http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001892.html
vampire lemon gag:
http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001894-3.html
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Originally posted by Ecchifan:
Actually, they (G-C) isn't forcing you to do anything. You're absolutely NOT required to play Let's Meow Meow! If you want to play the game, then you'll have to deal w/ VM issues. LMM and VM are attached at the hips now. But it's your choice to play or not to play.
I KNOW THAT, I'M NOT THAT STUPID!!!!
AND EVEN IF I WILL I CAN'T DO THAT!!!!
I'm simply playing the devil's advocate rule.
Let me talk for the stupids that doesn't have an Internet connection ( i have one in the office and obviously i can't use it to play Let Meow Meow if i decide to buy it * only when the moon will turn into an emerald * ).
Listen, Ecchifan, i'm into commerce since i was 15 years old. In Italy we have what it's named "diritto di recesso". This discipline is applied to internet sales, too. An unsatisfied customer has the right to send back this software in the first seven days if it proves to be a) defective b) doesn't fit to his needs in spite of what is publicized about this product. Who is going to take care of this right? Italian retailers? G-Coll? Santa Claus? From what they explained on their website the situation is as dark as hell. You can read back that thread ( and obviously you did it [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img] ). They could have it explained well, instead they sent a woodhead that could not answer to talk to us. what if, for example, V-Mate violate the laws 695/96 and 196/203 ( the ones that regulate privacy rights and personal data threatment here in Italy )? Heck, they don't have a decent sales information page at all. Imagine about the legal face of the matter.
And if so who will stop them? Should i ask to Privacy Warrant Autorithy to give a sentence on the matter? Or to american one?
It seems to me they are caring too few of us European customers. It seems to me they're considering us a B-series consumers.
Anyway their choice. I take rage alive inside me for a long, loong time.
I fear this V-mate is going to create more problems than solutions to G-Coll....
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
BitTorrent...
Do not mention me that devil's gift. I use it for transferring sensible data in a secured way from a protected databank, access i paid worth of bucks, containing all of the names of unreliable checks emitters.
First i down the data, then i receive the key at home.
What if, i.e., G-Coll obbliged whoever purchase a game to register, then send an codekey activated cd, ordering the legit purchase to connect back to the site using their login to download the legit owner software's personal codekey?
They'll know who downloaded illegally it the same way, no? And keys are easy to store on a floppy so from an Internet cafe it's not a big deal for everyone to take one.
And if a shrewd fellow amongst them will pirate it it'll be easiest to find, no?
Noooo, they had to play the iper-technologic-piracy-thrasher-and-destroyers guys, "straf***endosene" of their customers.
So sad, too bad....
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Let me talk for the stupids that doesn't have an Internet connection ( i have one in the office and obviously i can't use it to play Let Meow Meow if i decide to buy it * only when the moon will turn into an emerald * ).
You still haven't said why YOU personally can't use a modem. I didn't think a big fan of these games like yourself would be so easily put off that you won't even consider getting a cheap $10 modem and a free ISP. You may have issues with other things V-mate brings to the table, but Internet access shouldn't be one of them. The real issue is that G-collections is limiting their market by pushing away people who won't be bothered to buy a piece of hardware just to play some "porno game." Devotees of the genre should be able to get past this particular minor inconvenience, unless they're just boycotting the games on principle, of course...
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Do not mention me that devil's gift. I use it for transferring sensible data in a secured way from a protected databank, access i paid worth of bucks, containing all of the names of unreliable checks emitters.
BitTorrent is not a devil's gift. It's a program/protocol used to diminish server bandwidth. Even some companies like Japanese bishoujo game developers use it.
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
You still haven't said why YOU personally can't use a modem.
My office is the same palace as my home, cabled with Fastweb and my pc has only a 56k ability. No need for a cable moden, too much expensive.
Plus no flat internet contract for 56k plus slow velocity = a lot of costs
Add to this they're asking me to spend more money to play their game in addiction to what they are going to ask for that game and voil‡ le jeux sont fee. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
Too much costs = game fired.
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Originally posted by Dark_Shiki:
An interesting conspiracy theory...but no. G-collections doesn't have money just laying around to frivolously burn on bandwidth. Do you know how big these games are? You can't just redownload them every time you start the game. But I bet even pirate-users would give up if that were the case, crack or no crack. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img][This message has been edited by Dark_Shiki (edited 10-17-2004).]
I totally agree. For example, Idols Galore! is a 330 mb game (full installation). Even if you do a partial installation for a game (say 100 mb), that's still a huge file to download off the internet. G-C would not be able to afford the bandwidth costs.
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Originally posted by Italicus:
Dunno. As i said, i'm just the promoteur. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
Italian laws for privacy protection are far more intersting. Of course this will be limited to Italy only. But, after all, not so many italians that have CC cards buy hentai games. The vast majority uses local retailers, and these are in Italy, subjected to italian laws, remember this. Anyway i'm waiting for more news, so i can't tell your more than this. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
As I said before, G-C could simply decide not to distribute LMM in Italy. problem solved. :P