Demonbane Discussion (spoilers)

[michelous]

i did al and ruri 100% cg’s with out doing the leica route

[Lionfranky]

@michelous

i did al and ruri 100% cg’s with out doing the leica route

WTF? Leica sex scenes are totally exclusive to her route. When you mean by 100%, do you mean CGs for all sections?(Al, Ruri, Leica, Artifact, other.)

[Lancer-X]

You need to read the Leica route for reasons that have nothing to do with CG collection. You don’t play an eroge just to get the CGs! If all you wanted to do was that, you could just grab a save file.

[SidVanHalen]

@michelous

there is no need to do leica

gotta know the entire story my friend, the entire story. Otherwise she looks interesting.

[Lionfranky]

@Lancer-X

You need to read the Leica route for reasons that have nothing to do with CG collection. You don’t play an eroge just to get the CGs! If all you wanted to do was that, you could just grab a save file.

I meant if you are also interested in getting all CGs. Leica route shows background and other side story.

[linger]

I just finished Chapter 5 and I’m loving it so far. So, when does the game split off from the common route and get into the individual routes? I’m totally going for Ruri.

@eropanic

(Chapter 5 or so?):

Playing Phantom’s theme when Elsa was out in the town was really awesome to me, Phantom of Inferno is my all round favorite game and all.

In that scene there’s also a Phantom poster on the movie theater (and also this poster, or something extremely similar Yeah, in English…)

[Lionfranky]

@linger

I just finished Chapter 5 and I’m loving it so far. So, when does the game split off from the common route and get into the individual routes? I’m totally going for Ruri.

Get to bath scene after with Nya. The one who shows up after Nya is who you go with.

[LexarV]

@linger

I just finished Chapter 5 and I’m loving it so far. So, when does the game split off from the common route and get into the individual routes? I’m totally going for Ruri.

@eropanic

(Chapter 5 or so?):

Playing Phantom’s theme when Elsa was out in the town was really awesome to me, Phantom of Inferno is my all round favorite game and all.

In that scene there’s also a Phantom poster on the movie theater (and also this poster, or something extremely similar Yeah, in English…)

lol I noticed the Phantom music and phantom poster, I had to stop and go huh…? This sounds familiar…
That was pretty good touch xD

I missed the beer.jpg poster or whatnot… I’ll keep a look out for it next time~

[Lancer-X]

@linger

In that scene there’s also a Phantom poster on the movie theater (and also this poster, or something extremely similar Yeah, in English…)

It was this one, actually:

[michelous]

i like linger’s poster better

[eropanic]

The first time I saw the scene I didn’t notice the Phantom poster, but second time I did. Never noticed the beer one though.

Going for Ruri next.

[linger]

I figured this might be a relevant place to post this: I just remembered that soundtracks for many Nitroplus games can be purchased in mp3 at JapanFiles. Now I’m gonna listen to it while driving to work to get pumped.

@Lionfranky

@linger

I just finished Chapter 5 and I’m loving it so far. So, when does the game split off from the common route and get into the individual routes? I’m totally going for Ruri.

Get to bath scene after with Nya. The one who shows up after Nya is who you go with.

Thanks a lot, this saved me a lot of time. The first time I got this scene I had the wrong girl. I totally would have gone forward without realizing it.

@eropanic

The first time I saw the scene I didn’t notice the Phantom poster, but second time I did. Never noticed the beer one though.

In an alleyway scene, there’s a similar 50s parody poster that’s blue and has the text “SLAPPING! too small to read” Plus more posters of Nitroplus games when yougo the theater with Ruri.

[Reikon]

@Lancer-X

But my whole point is that you don’t know in advance whether it’s going to be the best route, because the best route doesn’t always match the best character. There’s a number of reasons why this can happen; in my experience, largely because of the involvement of multiple writers, which you can’t always tell in advance because these ‘sub-writers’ aren’t always credited. Now, sub-writers are commonly used even in great eroge for things like H scenes that tend to be pretty numbing things for the actual writer to write (sca-ji doesn’t seem a huge fan of them!), but sometimes they’re used for entire routes.

Take the recently-released Aiyoku no Eustia. Fione’s a pretty good character- she’s pretty, she’s voiced by a great new seiyuu and you find out both pretty early on and into her chapter that her personality and character are pretty great. So you play the game, play to her route and after seeing her ending, which was --awful–, you uninstall the game, give it 40% on EGS and write an angry email to the scenario writer. Oops. You’ve just been stung by the all-too-common case where a scenario writer (or a sub- I’m starting to suspect the sub) apparently doesn’t regard a character with the same reverence you do.

Then there’s things like Natsuyume Nagisa and some Nekonekosoft games (as well as other things where a large number of writers is simply how the studio works) where the game characters were designed by the project lead and original artist but the routes then split up between writers - and surprise surprise, different writers have different levels of skill. You get cases where characters you’d normally dismiss (Hijiri from Natsuyume Nagisa, token loli with horrible token loli personality) get the best routes in the game and great characters get let down. Anyone that’s still a fan of Circus has been dealing with this for years.

But, once again, how do you know? If you’re going into an eroge based on the idea that you’re going to enjoy it (which is probably most of the time, although not all of the time, since I’m playing 2009±era Abel Software games at the moment, hoo boy >_>) you generally don’t want to read detailed reviews on the game beforehand- exceptions, of course, when detailed reviews are what caused you to get the game in the first place, but I’m assuming most of the time we’re flying blind, how do you know exactly what the scenario writers were thinking when they wrote the game? Being able to design good characters and being able to design good stories are very related skills, but they aren’t precisely linked and you’re making a very big assumption on going in if you think that only one character route will be worth playing.

EDIT: This may take a minute or two, but could you go through May 27’s releases and tell me which routes are worth playing in advance? This will be a great reflective exercise on the merits to this approach when we get around to playing those games~

I know that by going through the route of one or two characters, I have a high chance of missing good routes within the game. I may leave with a bad impression of the game, but the point of me playing was for those characters. So to me, it was an overall disappointment. I usually move on because I’m behind enough that it’s likely I’ll find a game with character I like and a good story to go along with her. There’s not enough incentive for me to go through all the routes to see if I missed something good. I may give it a second chance if I hear a lot of good things about the rest, but it’s unlikely I would go back on my own.

And as for picking routes from May releases, it was a pretty boring month (not to mention the games are already released), so I’ll look at June. I have to admit that sometimes an eroge looks like it has potential to have a good story yet has seemingly completely cliche characters. The following eroge are the ones I’m most likely to try and the route(s) I would play.

LOVELY◊CATION: Aya, Misasa (if she actually has a route)
Rewrite: Ruchia, Shizuru (though I’m assuming I have to play all the routes since it’s Key)
???: Shinku, Mio
???: Sakura
???: Hanene

[Lancer-X]

@Reikon

though I’m assuming I have to play all the routes since it’s Key

Why is this? I’m assuming it’s not because the writers are good and thus all the routes are likely to be good, since you don’t carry that attitude over to other similar titles. Is it because modern Key games (from AIR on, basically, so not that modern) normally force you to play most if not all of the routes before revealing the final/main stories? Because a lot of other eroges are like that. I’d be surprised if the Shumon Yuu game you’ve listed there isn’t - while he probably won’t attempt something like Asairo again, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a central story here. Sukimazakura and Irosekai might go either way.

I’m mostly just curious, since you don’t care for the other characters, why you’d play their routes just because it’s a Key game, as opposed to any other story-centric (rather than character-centric) eroge.

Anyway, thank you for the list- I’m getting at least 3 of those games myself so I’ll see how your methodology stacks up =P In my opinion, your best choice is probably for Sukimazakura. I’m equally sure that your choice for Tenshi no Hane is going to result in an inferior experience- you never know with Shumon Yuu though, but he has a habit of heavily one route, so it can be very hit-and-miss.

[LexarV]

For those who’ve finished Demonbane, here are some youtube videos I found to enjoy reminiscing over

?MAD?DEMONBANE??? < What the anime series could have been?

?MAD??vestige -???-??? < Goes on too long, and doesn’t quite fit the Demonbane feel, but very well timed.

?MAD? [???] ausuz < Kind of an ending song video (It goes on longer than I’d like but, it’s pretty unique)

Demonbane - Lovesongs < Fans of Al Azif will enjoy this slow AMV

M@D DEMONBANE < Good video to show someone who knows nothing about Demonbane! Kenshin song…

AND now to entice you to want the sequel…

Demonbane MAD (nico) < …! <3

MAD ??? (Kishin Houkou Demonbane) Full < Rehash the original one more time… <3

??? OP < And lastly the video that started it all for me. <3 <3 <3

[LexarV]

Oh, had to post this here (those that haven’t played it probably won’t love it) :
NITRO SUPER SONIC 10th ANNIVERSARY “???” -???-
Demonbane song LIVE. It’s somewhere between awkward and all kinds of epic. You don’t see this kind of thing around here…
I couldn’t help but say “Hell yeah!” when the song started xD

Here are 3 other reasons to get a friend to buy Demonbane :
1 2 3
We want moreeeeee Nitro+USA titles

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[stromiv]

My box edition has finally been shipped… I actually forgot I had that pre-ordered.

[michelous]

same with mine

[LexarV]

Wow, I wonder why it took so long… did they already sell out their first print?

[Nandemonai]

Possibly. The twitter feed says they still have some of the limited edition boxes … but if they ran out before they finished processing preorders they would have had to make more special preorder packages.