A different quesiton, is it true why moasics have to be on the games some nudity, albeit not always adult anime as in the other thread, can be shown on television?
I find that slightly strange if true, though I presume they show no more on the television there, then they would in the games however still and interesting dichotomy in my view.
Hmm, let’s see if I can explain it a bit…
For the anime with nudity on television, it’s usually either bare breasts or maybe a butt shot. Even then, I believe a majority of them are shown in late night spots on television. But flashing a breast or a butt isn’t the same as showing of the genitals and the law says something about “undue attention (or detail) to the genitals”. The two main ways to do that is to either cover the area with a mosaic or to leave it “blank”, without the details in the area.
To me it’s not really a dichotomy. In several cultures, bare breasts isn’t a big deal. While it may still draw attention, it’s not a vulgar act. Same thing with a butt who’s only “covering” is a little floss between the cheeks. But if someone would go exposing their genitals, that usually will cause issues.
I don’t know to me it is a dichotomy though because, even considering the culture differences, one is considered okay for mainstream media and the other is not considered okay for what basically can become a different mainstream media. I can understand cultural reasons for not doing something one way, but basically allowing it in something that anyone can get one way, and yet fearing showing too much?
Maybe being in this cultural here which I think goes perhaps way overboard in trying to protect the ‘innocent’ children I find it hard to understand if you go halfway to the masses why not go all the way to the masses.
You sort of lost me. (plus, I think you’re missing a comma or two in your sentence and I was reading it wrong initially.) Are you saying the dichotomy is in the allowance of nudity at all or in the mosaics on the genitals? In other words, is your “halfway to the masses” in regards to allowing the bare breasts or in showing the groin region but with a mosaic on it?
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Originally posted by ekylo:
You sort of lost me. (plus, I think you're missing a comma or two in your sentence and I was reading it wrong initially.)
Grammar has never been my strong point, which is why I hope people can read through most things without thinking 'missing commas, or oops wrong use of this or that' which I guess most people do most of the time.
My point is, if you show half of something, such as the top half nude and have it in many publications it is, to me a dichtomy not to show the bottom half. I understand there are cultural reasons for why they do it, nevertheless, I still think it is a dichtomy not to go the full way since all the half-ways are in somewhat every day items from anime to serialized comics that become manga.
I just mentioned it because when I first read your post, the first part sounded like you didn’t see a dichotomy but by context you did. I sort of brought it up because there’s quite a few people here who’s first language isn’t English and sometimes I even have to remind myself to try and make my messages as clear as possible. (One of the reasons I frown on some peoples uses of internet shorthand here…)
And speaking of being clear, am I correct in saying that to you, it is a dichotomy to show bare breasts but obscure genitals with a mosaic? There’s another way to read what we’ve been discussing, that’s why I keep getting confused. If that’s the case, then yes, to me as well it seems a bit contradictory. But I’m also looking at it through my “Western” viewpoint and upbringing. If I had a Japanese upbringing, would I still see it as a contradiction?
Yes, I know there’s been a trend towards finer and finer mosaics and a push to “show everything”. But the question becomes, would that trend have come about through natural evolution of the culture or is it being brought about by Western influences?
NO matter how old we are
Anime is just too addicted
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Brave Soul, Best H-RPG
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Originally posted by Dark Alicia:
NO matter how old we areAnime is just too addicted
This is very true anime is addictive no matter how old.
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Originally posted by ekylo:
Yes, I know there's been a trend towards finer and finer mosaics and a push to "show everything". But the question becomes, would that trend have come about through natural evolution of the culture or is it being brought about by Western influences?
I know that computer and cultural influence in this manner has not been around since the 1800's but some ideas of 'Westernization' we know greatly altered the Japanese society and culture back in the 1800's.
I bring that up because I think the decreasing mosaics are part of a natural evolutionary process that started back with the original influence of Western culture. Now if you want to argue as a result of the long lasting 1800's Western influence that this mosaic change is brought on by modern Western influences that is very possible.
I wonder if US didn’t fight against Japan in WW2, and US and Japan is not friend or foe, I don’t know we will still have anime and such in the US today.
OUR LIFE WILL BE CHANGE IF THERE IS NO ANIME IN THIS WORLD!
shrug I just sort of threw out the question to get people thinking. (Or even get myself wondering as well) I really don’t know myself because I’ve never researched that theorey. In this particular case, I do think it’s a result of a natural evolution within the culture but it probably would have taken longer without the Western influences.
As for wondering if anime would have come over if the US hadn’t fought Japan and had only a neutral relationship with them, I think it would have. Because you have to remember that immigrants from Japan had been coming to the US for awhile already. So it wasn’t like they were isolated from each other. And with that flow, eventually aspects of that culture, like their forms of entertainment, would be introduced and given exposure.
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Originally posted by Dark Alicia:
NO matter how old we areAnime is just too addicted
Well I just spent $159.88 my addiction.
Now that chobits is finished, I need the last Sugar and the rest
of Angelic Layer
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Suport your local Cat-girl buy Brave Soul, Best H-RPG
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Originally posted by woodelf:
Well I just spent $159.88 my addiction.
Now that [b] chobits is finished, I need the last Sugar and the rest
of Angelic Layer[/b]
Additional suggestions (just to break your wallet, jejejeje): Someday's Dreamer
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Originally posted by fxho:
Additional suggestions (just to break your wallet, jejejeje): Someday's Dreamer
Grumble, Grumble ...
umm , Early birthday present for March
Well I have added that to my to buy
list. Now is that before or after fresh food?
Nuku Nuku Dash **
Pretear **
Someday's Dreamer
** DVD's on order already
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[This message has been edited by woodelf (edited 12-29-2003).]
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Originally posted by ekylo:
Heh, I know what you mean. I really cringe at some of the theme songs I hear in cartoons nowadays...
I cringe at the Cartoons instead.
Here is my list of anime that I’m getting
Najica Vol.3 (Last vol.)
Nuku Nuku Dash
Maybe Chobit
and Some other anime that I’m looking for.
I think Last year I spend over $250.00 on just anime DVD
I think I bought 8 anime in one day
all was $29.99 each
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Originally posted by fxho:
Additional suggestions (just to break your wallet, jejejeje): Someday's Dreamer
I have watched the first volume last weekend.
Yep, nice variation of the witchgirl goes to town-theme like in Kiki's delivery service. [img]http://princess.cybrmall.net/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
I think anime would have come over too without World War II occurring, remember there was some trade between the two nations prior to World War II. If not the animes we are familiar with today at least the style would have made it’s way across through immigration and then I guess eventually the animes we are now spending close to 200 dollars to buy.
Chobits is recommended from what parts of it I have been lucky enough to see since Christmas, and I too recommend Someday’s Dreamers. It is one that I saw at the urging of a girl I know and found to be one of the better animes I have seen, if not totally original in general concept. As Unicorn said it is a take off on the witch-girl comes to big city idea.
I’ve been considering picking up Someday’s Dreamers myself. The preview was enough to intrigue me. Have to let my credit card recover a little from this holiday season though…
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Originally posted by ekylo:
I've been considering picking up Someday's Dreamers myself. The preview was enough to intrigue me. Have to let my credit card recover a little from this holiday season though...
I hear you there, though probably not as bad as some, I am still about 100 over what I had budgeted for and that is a slight problem. That said though there are a lot of new ones coming out that sound interesting, including one that was recommended to me from someone that tells me they saw the original Japanese version, Happy Lesson .